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164. I'm saying his numbers (number of votes)

Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:40 PM

Nov 9

didn't change. Obviously not all the same people. People die, new voters register, but there was no surge in support/votes for Trump. R votes have been steady, climbing a little, over the past few general elections. It's the Democratic vote that has the anomaly with a huge surge in 2020 and those votes (numbers) did not move to the Trump column in this election.

Harris is still down 11 million votes from Biden in 2020. That is a huge number of votes! Where they hell did they go? Were they just Trump haters who registered, voted in 2020, and then lost interest, never to vote again? I have no idea but it should be analyzed by counties to see where vote totals rose in 2020 and then fell in 2024. I assume there are people who do that stuff and will be digging into it.

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I see so many posts calling the voters who didn't support Harris "stupid" [View all] onenote Nov 8 OP

What do we need to win them over for? LisaL Nov 8 #1

I get the despair. But I'm confident you are wrong. onenote Nov 8 #4

Why? thinkingagain Nov 8 #90

I honestly can't wait until this initial panic and doomsdaying is over... AkFemDem Nov 9 #129

The House, the Senate, and the White House elleng Nov 8 #5

And the courts TexLaProgressive Nov 8 #26

And the corrupt SCOTUS 6. We are screwed. I'm keeping my head down and hoping to ride it out. brush Nov 9 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author The Third Doctor Nov 8 #83

Maybe not stupid Mz Pip Nov 8 #2

There's a difference? Xoan Nov 8 #75

they are pretending none of the Trump crimes/trials were real. travelingthrulife Nov 8 #3

Yes SARose Nov 8 #65

MALICIOUS..... CONTEMPTUOUS.... magicarpet Nov 9 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 8 #6

I don't want to make excuses for them... Ysabel Nov 8 #7

Yea, that's the ticket Strelnikov_ Nov 8 #8

Hmmm AfternoonJoe Nov 8 #9

You're assuming... tgraf66 Nov 9 #104

Not necessarily stupid, but... Tigerpal Nov 8 #10

No PhilosopherKing Nov 8 #50

Questions FSogol Nov 8 #11

Because the republicans will make an effort to tell them we're calling them stupid. onenote Nov 8 #37

Who cares. yardwork Nov 8 #45

I guess folks that have no plans for winning an election going forward don't care. onenote Nov 8 #52

If read my posts here you'll see that I'm not giving up. yardwork Nov 8 #55

We need to lean into the stupid and run a straight white male with charisma. This is all a Tik Tok show now Pisces Nov 9 #120

They'll tell them that anyway. They told them Biden called them garbage which wasn't true. n/t FSogol Nov 8 #49

It was true soandso Nov 9 #145

Unfortunately, it was true - Biden's exact words are all over social media womanofthehills Nov 9 #159

I used to be a Republican. I disagree NorCalBlue Nov 8 #12

Thank you for sharing a real example. yardwork Nov 8 #47

Talking to people we know that didn't support Harris is a terrific start. onenote Nov 8 #63

You haven't read your own thread if this is the first positive suggestion you've seen. yardwork Nov 8 #70

Okay. Point taken. But most people seem more interested in disagreeing with me than suggesting a strategy onenote Nov 8 #72

I think we're all tired, discouraged, and worried. yardwork Nov 8 #73

Thx, yardwork, and best of luck Hekate Nov 9 #123

Talk to them about what? Devils, idiots, and traitors. TheKentuckian Nov 9 #98

Same thing happened to me, and I now thank them Meadowoak Nov 8 #64

So they're dumb. Emile Nov 9 #122

Anyone who voted for Trump instead of Harris IS stupid. milestogo Nov 8 #13

So what is your strategy for winning elections? onenote Nov 8 #39

If we ever get another shot at a presidential election, Meadowoak Nov 8 #67

We got Barack Obama, a man. Then Trump defeated Hillary, a woman. Trump lost to Joe, a man. Then... Hekate Nov 9 #127

This might be true, but Obama was one in a million. I'm not sure I would want to risk Scrivener7 Nov 9 #167

I agree with you.! Stupid, stupid. Trueblue1968 Nov 9 #125

WE. ARE. NEVER. GOING. TO. WIN. THEM. TO. OUR. SIDE. Yavin4 Nov 8 #14

Thank you. A voice of sanity. harumph Nov 8 #15

MAGA is so stupid they can not fathom the ramifications of their,... magicarpet Nov 9 #146

Exactly. StarryNite Nov 8 #16

They may have not seen all of this. LeftInTX Nov 8 #24

You realize a whole lot of them voted for Biden in 2020. They switched and they might switch back onenote Nov 8 #41

Did they? You have data showing that? n/t Yavin4 Nov 8 #58

Yes. From the exit polls onenote Nov 9 #160

IMO, anyone who voted Biden in 2020 and switched HAS to be stupid... consider_this Nov 8 #79

Then why are Trump's numbers flat? dpibel Nov 9 #110

Links. Data or it didn't happen. hatrack Nov 9 #117

See post #160. onenote Nov 9 #161

The strategy is to run a white middle-aged straight protestant male. Scrivener7 Nov 9 #138

Trump got around the same number of votes in 2020 and 2024 soandso Nov 9 #149

That's a very simplistic -- and incorrect -- analysis. onenote Nov 9 #162

I'm saying his numbers (number of votes) soandso Nov 9 #164

No one is talking about TheFarseer Nov 8 #78

This group needs a white middle-aged protestant straight male. Scrivener7 Nov 9 #139

I think we need to think outside of identity politics TheFarseer Nov 9 #165

Identity politics is what lost us this election. Sad as it makes us, some Democrats and democratically aligned voters Scrivener7 Nov 9 #166

That depends entirely on which "Them" we're talking about Zeitghost Nov 9 #100

THOSE voters, the ones who voted for Biden and then Scrivener7 Nov 9 #142

Fuck them !!! SamKnause Nov 8 #17

how about cruel and selfish. Quiet Em Nov 8 #18

What would you call people who blamed Emile Nov 8 #19

Or Biden For RobinA Nov 8 #53

Ironic, isn't it? That's precisely one of the factors that lost the race... WarGamer Nov 8 #20

I agree DeepWinter Nov 8 #21

I'm with you (sorta) but do you honestly think ANYTHING would have brought them to our side? hlthe2b Nov 8 #22

Probably not in this election. I think the result was baked in early on. onenote Nov 8 #48

Post removed Post removed Nov 9 #101

They are not reading du Meowmee Nov 9 #109

What else do you call people who have to learn everything the hard way... hunter Nov 8 #23

Yes? PhilosopherKing Nov 8 #25

They are - aren't they? claudette Nov 8 #27

When will someone lecture the fascist about calling us names? Hotler Nov 8 #28

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #40

The bogus scolds are their duplicitous allies. TheKentuckian Nov 9 #105

I don't need to resort to name calling; just sit back and watch the Trump presidency play out. patphil Nov 8 #29

Sadly, not as many as should. Xavier Breath Nov 8 #36

Yeah, I left that as an open question, even though I already knew the answer. patphil Nov 8 #69

I'm sure many of them held their noses for trump, because they were desperate. Omnipresent Nov 8 #30

Desperate for what? viva la Nov 8 #88

They somehow think he's going to help them lower housing costs, for one thing Omnipresent Nov 9 #91

He does usually find a way to ease the terrible tax plight viva la Nov 9 #94

Nonfuckingsense. No one on Earth can point to a damn thing he has on TheKentuckian Nov 9 #118

Is ignorant or blissfully ignorant better? Ferrets are Cool Nov 8 #31

It's certainly not helpful. orange jar Nov 8 #32

Blaming the voters means our Party leaders don't have to explain what went wrong. We really saw this in 2016. jalan48 Nov 8 #33

Can't really explain what the problems are orange jar Nov 8 #38

They are busy blaming each other! Fish700 Nov 9 #95

I wouldn't call them stupid. I would call them people who had no problem supporting a racist, sexist, bigot, JohnSJ Nov 8 #34

I was going to reply kacekwl Nov 8 #62

As my tweenager said many moons ago about adults: GreenWave Nov 8 #35

Masochists sound better? Emile Nov 8 #42

Are we allowed to hold Trump supporters to the same standard? yardwork Nov 8 #43

Thank you! K&R Emile Nov 8 #44

Here's the choice: it's either "stupid," or it's . . . markpkessinger Nov 8 #46

For crying out loud! blue cat Nov 8 #51

"Policing"? Since when is expressing an opinion on DU "policing". onenote Nov 8 #56

I don't care about them JustAnotherGen Nov 8 #54

Honestly, a lot are. Happy Hoosier Nov 8 #57

They were. My progressive idealist son was one of them. Freethinker65 Nov 8 #59

They call everyone one else worse. Truth hurts. Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #60

It's a statement of fact. They are stupid. flvegan Nov 8 #61

Hmmm Lotusflower70 Nov 8 #66

Misidentifying who you're dealing with isn't a long term strategy for success. RockRaven Nov 8 #68

I'm not worried about the venting for another week or so. badhair77 Nov 8 #71

From the past.... Behind the Aegis Nov 8 #74

That never, ever gets old Hekate Nov 9 #150

I would call them gullible. zanana1 Nov 8 #76

The way I'd treat them EnergizedLib Nov 8 #77

They won't listen Keepthesoulalive Nov 9 #132

Stupid is the LPBBEAR Nov 8 #80

If someone voted for the Orange Antichrist, they're either Wingus Dingus Nov 8 #81

In a democracy, the stupid have a voice. Wouldn't be a Democracy if it were otherwise. Sucks sometimes. Silent Type Nov 8 #82

Calling them stupid is giving them the benefit of the doubt Blaukraut Nov 8 #84

Calling them stupid is still being civil The Third Doctor Nov 8 #85

It works for Trump...obviously. Us Dems tend to be more civil than the GOP but it must not work? walkingman Nov 8 #86

The definition of stupid mnhtnbb Nov 8 #87

Calling them "stupid"? Rigpa108 Nov 8 #89

no one said it was a long term strategy for success, but if you voted for the traitorous rapist, YOU'RE STUPID krawhitham Nov 9 #92

Stupid is mild to what I think. Deluded wanna be fascists is more like it nini Nov 9 #93

Calling them stupid is not name-calling. Iggo Nov 9 #96

Zzzzzz Oopsie Daisy Nov 9 #97

I call them stupid fucking Nazis Zorro Nov 9 #99

Stupid is being generous. Nt. Voltaire2 Nov 9 #102

So what are they? Smart? LisaM Nov 9 #103

They're greedy cowards, bullies, and bigots. haele Nov 9 #156

The only way we will ever reach these people Ruby the Liberal Nov 9 #106

I bet Neville Chamberlain thought, "you know, we just need to win those Nazis over to our way of thinking". LudwigPastorius Nov 9 #107

... Prairie Gates Nov 9 #108

Cause they are dumb as fuck Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #111

I am not sure anyone actually called them stupid Marigold Nov 9 #112

Shall we "reach out" to them? More interviews in diners in the NYT? Pat them on the head? hatrack Nov 9 #113

73 million podcasts exploring the Maga voter. Nt. Voltaire2 Nov 9 #140

Pretty much Hekate Nov 9 #154

Other apt adjectives are: shortsighted, simplistic, deluded, misinformed, shallow and selfish wishstar Nov 9 #114

Stupid is as stupid does. LisaL Nov 9 #115

How do you win over someone who thinks the earth is flat? Cartoonist Nov 9 #116

We are a stupid, stupid country. It began decades ago with the dumbing down of public education... Hekate Nov 9 #119

They are never going to be on our "side" ismnotwasm Nov 9 #121

This! radical noodle Nov 9 #135

By the end of the first year of the Trump reign of terror, they'll be calling themselves stupid. Vinca Nov 9 #124

They're stupid, so they will find a way to blame us Hassler Nov 9 #136

Nope. They will be misdirected to blame others. Voltaire2 Nov 9 #141

They will blame Democrats Hekate Nov 9 #155

"Stupid" is the kindest possible interpretation of their actions 0rganism Nov 9 #126

If they are not stupid then they are evil. The charitable thing is to assign stupidity as their major malfunction. Blues Heron Nov 9 #128

They called some of their own supporters worse than stupid. Rhiagel Nov 9 #130

Stupid? Somewhat. Racist, misogynist and white suppremacist? For sure... brush Nov 9 #133

What do they call us? radical noodle Nov 9 #134

A) They're stupid. B) Us calling them stupid or us Scrivener7 Nov 9 #137

Not stupid. Racist and misogynist. alarimer Nov 9 #143

I'm sick of caring BigMin28 Nov 9 #144

With everything they call us, I'm B.See Nov 9 #147

I think that the main flips were based on immigration and transgender ads JanMichael Nov 9 #148

I'm treating them like adults RandySF Nov 9 #151

Many tRump supporters are indeed stupid, willfully so. Sibelius Fan Nov 9 #152

They knew what the stakes were. They practiced malicious inaction. They don't get a pass from me. Efilroft Sul Nov 9 #153

A large portion of them ARE. Captain Zero Nov 9 #157

Let me fix that for you. Why don't we go with unenlightened or racist or sexist or all of the above. Native Nov 9 #163

The alternative to "stupid" is worse. maxsolomon Nov 10 #168