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TheFarseer

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165. I think we need to think outside of identity politics

Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:59 PM

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Trump and, let’s say, Sherrod Brown are the same demographically but not even close on policy. I’m guessing you would expect Latino men to vote for Sherrod Brown.

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I see so many posts calling the voters who didn't support Harris "stupid" [View all] onenote Friday OP

What do we need to win them over for? LisaL Friday #1

I get the despair. But I'm confident you are wrong. onenote Friday #4

Why? thinkingagain Friday #90

I honestly can't wait until this initial panic and doomsdaying is over... AkFemDem Saturday #129

The House, the Senate, and the White House elleng Friday #5

And the courts TexLaProgressive Friday #26

And the corrupt SCOTUS 6. We are screwed. I'm keeping my head down and hoping to ride it out. brush Saturday #158

This message was self-deleted by its author The Third Doctor Friday #83

Maybe not stupid Mz Pip Friday #2

There's a difference? Xoan Friday #75

they are pretending none of the Trump crimes/trials were real. travelingthrulife Friday #3

Yes SARose Friday #65

MALICIOUS..... CONTEMPTUOUS.... magicarpet Saturday #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Friday #6

I don't want to make excuses for them... Ysabel Friday #7

Yea, that's the ticket Strelnikov_ Friday #8

Hmmm AfternoonJoe Friday #9

You're assuming... tgraf66 Saturday #104

Not necessarily stupid, but... Tigerpal Friday #10

No PhilosopherKing Friday #50

Questions FSogol Friday #11

Because the republicans will make an effort to tell them we're calling them stupid. onenote Friday #37

Who cares. yardwork Friday #45

I guess folks that have no plans for winning an election going forward don't care. onenote Friday #52

If read my posts here you'll see that I'm not giving up. yardwork Friday #55

We need to lean into the stupid and run a straight white male with charisma. This is all a Tik Tok show now Pisces Saturday #120

They'll tell them that anyway. They told them Biden called them garbage which wasn't true. n/t FSogol Friday #49

It was true soandso Saturday #145

Unfortunately, it was true - Biden's exact words are all over social media womanofthehills Saturday #159

I used to be a Republican. I disagree NorCalBlue Friday #12

Thank you for sharing a real example. yardwork Friday #47

Talking to people we know that didn't support Harris is a terrific start. onenote Friday #63

You haven't read your own thread if this is the first positive suggestion you've seen. yardwork Friday #70

Okay. Point taken. But most people seem more interested in disagreeing with me than suggesting a strategy onenote Friday #72

I think we're all tired, discouraged, and worried. yardwork Friday #73

Thx, yardwork, and best of luck Hekate Saturday #123

Talk to them about what? Devils, idiots, and traitors. TheKentuckian Saturday #98

Same thing happened to me, and I now thank them Meadowoak Friday #64

So they're dumb. Emile Saturday #122

Anyone who voted for Trump instead of Harris IS stupid. milestogo Friday #13

So what is your strategy for winning elections? onenote Friday #39

If we ever get another shot at a presidential election, Meadowoak Friday #67

We got Barack Obama, a man. Then Trump defeated Hillary, a woman. Trump lost to Joe, a man. Then... Hekate Saturday #127

This might be true, but Obama was one in a million. I'm not sure I would want to risk Scrivener7 Saturday #167

I agree with you.! Stupid, stupid. Trueblue1968 Saturday #125

WE. ARE. NEVER. GOING. TO. WIN. THEM. TO. OUR. SIDE. Yavin4 Friday #14

Thank you. A voice of sanity. harumph Friday #15

MAGA is so stupid they can not fathom the ramifications of their,... magicarpet Saturday #146

Exactly. StarryNite Friday #16

They may have not seen all of this. LeftInTX Friday #24

You realize a whole lot of them voted for Biden in 2020. They switched and they might switch back onenote Friday #41

Did they? You have data showing that? n/t Yavin4 Friday #58

Yes. From the exit polls onenote Saturday #160

IMO, anyone who voted Biden in 2020 and switched HAS to be stupid... consider_this Friday #79

Then why are Trump's numbers flat? dpibel Saturday #110

Links. Data or it didn't happen. hatrack Saturday #117

See post #160. onenote Saturday #161

The strategy is to run a white middle-aged straight protestant male. Scrivener7 Saturday #138

Trump got around the same number of votes in 2020 and 2024 soandso Saturday #149

That's a very simplistic -- and incorrect -- analysis. onenote Saturday #162

I'm saying his numbers (number of votes) soandso Saturday #164

No one is talking about TheFarseer Friday #78

This group needs a white middle-aged protestant straight male. Scrivener7 Saturday #139

I think we need to think outside of identity politics TheFarseer Saturday #165

Identity politics is what lost us this election. Sad as it makes us, some Democrats and democratically aligned voters Scrivener7 Saturday #166

That depends entirely on which "Them" we're talking about Zeitghost Saturday #100

THOSE voters, the ones who voted for Biden and then Scrivener7 Saturday #142

Fuck them !!! SamKnause Friday #17

how about cruel and selfish. Quiet Em Friday #18

What would you call people who blamed Emile Friday #19

Or Biden For RobinA Friday #53

Ironic, isn't it? That's precisely one of the factors that lost the race... WarGamer Friday #20

I agree DeepWinter Friday #21

I'm with you (sorta) but do you honestly think ANYTHING would have brought them to our side? hlthe2b Friday #22

Probably not in this election. I think the result was baked in early on. onenote Friday #48

Post removed Post removed Saturday #101

They are not reading du Meowmee Saturday #109

What else do you call people who have to learn everything the hard way... hunter Friday #23

Yes? PhilosopherKing Friday #25

They are - aren't they? claudette Friday #27

When will someone lecture the fascist about calling us names? Hotler Friday #28

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Friday #40

The bogus scolds are their duplicitous allies. TheKentuckian Saturday #105

I don't need to resort to name calling; just sit back and watch the Trump presidency play out. patphil Friday #29

Sadly, not as many as should. Xavier Breath Friday #36

Yeah, I left that as an open question, even though I already knew the answer. patphil Friday #69

I'm sure many of them held their noses for trump, because they were desperate. Omnipresent Friday #30

Desperate for what? viva la Friday #88

They somehow think he's going to help them lower housing costs, for one thing Omnipresent Saturday #91

He does usually find a way to ease the terrible tax plight viva la Saturday #94

Nonfuckingsense. No one on Earth can point to a damn thing he has on TheKentuckian Saturday #118

Is ignorant or blissfully ignorant better? Ferrets are Cool Friday #31

It's certainly not helpful. orange jar Friday #32

Blaming the voters means our Party leaders don't have to explain what went wrong. We really saw this in 2016. jalan48 Friday #33

Can't really explain what the problems are orange jar Friday #38

They are busy blaming each other! Fish700 Saturday #95

I wouldn't call them stupid. I would call them people who had no problem supporting a racist, sexist, bigot, JohnSJ Friday #34

I was going to reply kacekwl Friday #62

As my tweenager said many moons ago about adults: GreenWave Friday #35

Masochists sound better? Emile Friday #42

Are we allowed to hold Trump supporters to the same standard? yardwork Friday #43

Thank you! K&R Emile Friday #44

Here's the choice: it's either "stupid," or it's . . . markpkessinger Friday #46

For crying out loud! blue cat Friday #51

"Policing"? Since when is expressing an opinion on DU "policing". onenote Friday #56

I don't care about them JustAnotherGen Friday #54

Honestly, a lot are. Happy Hoosier Friday #57

They were. My progressive idealist son was one of them. Freethinker65 Friday #59

They call everyone one else worse. Truth hurts. Blue Full Moon Friday #60

It's a statement of fact. They are stupid. flvegan Friday #61

Hmmm Lotusflower70 Friday #66

Misidentifying who you're dealing with isn't a long term strategy for success. RockRaven Friday #68

I'm not worried about the venting for another week or so. badhair77 Friday #71

From the past.... Behind the Aegis Friday #74

That never, ever gets old Hekate Saturday #150

I would call them gullible. zanana1 Friday #76

The way I'd treat them EnergizedLib Friday #77

They won't listen Keepthesoulalive Saturday #132

Stupid is the LPBBEAR Friday #80

If someone voted for the Orange Antichrist, they're either Wingus Dingus Friday #81

In a democracy, the stupid have a voice. Wouldn't be a Democracy if it were otherwise. Sucks sometimes. Silent Type Friday #82

Calling them stupid is giving them the benefit of the doubt Blaukraut Friday #84

Calling them stupid is still being civil The Third Doctor Friday #85

It works for Trump...obviously. Us Dems tend to be more civil than the GOP but it must not work? walkingman Friday #86

The definition of stupid mnhtnbb Friday #87

Calling them "stupid"? Rigpa108 Friday #89

no one said it was a long term strategy for success, but if you voted for the traitorous rapist, YOU'RE STUPID krawhitham Saturday #92

Stupid is mild to what I think. Deluded wanna be fascists is more like it nini Saturday #93

Calling them stupid is not name-calling. Iggo Saturday #96

Zzzzzz Oopsie Daisy Saturday #97

I call them stupid fucking Nazis Zorro Saturday #99

Stupid is being generous. Nt. Voltaire2 Saturday #102

So what are they? Smart? LisaM Saturday #103

They're greedy cowards, bullies, and bigots. haele Saturday #156

The only way we will ever reach these people Ruby the Liberal Saturday #106

I bet Neville Chamberlain thought, "you know, we just need to win those Nazis over to our way of thinking". LudwigPastorius Saturday #107

... Prairie Gates Saturday #108

Cause they are dumb as fuck Dem4life1234 Saturday #111

I am not sure anyone actually called them stupid Marigold Saturday #112

Shall we "reach out" to them? More interviews in diners in the NYT? Pat them on the head? hatrack Saturday #113

73 million podcasts exploring the Maga voter. Nt. Voltaire2 Saturday #140

Pretty much Hekate Saturday #154

Other apt adjectives are: shortsighted, simplistic, deluded, misinformed, shallow and selfish wishstar Saturday #114

Stupid is as stupid does. LisaL Saturday #115

How do you win over someone who thinks the earth is flat? Cartoonist Saturday #116

We are a stupid, stupid country. It began decades ago with the dumbing down of public education... Hekate Saturday #119

They are never going to be on our "side" ismnotwasm Saturday #121

This! radical noodle Saturday #135

By the end of the first year of the Trump reign of terror, they'll be calling themselves stupid. Vinca Saturday #124

They're stupid, so they will find a way to blame us Hassler Saturday #136

Nope. They will be misdirected to blame others. Voltaire2 Saturday #141

They will blame Democrats Hekate Saturday #155

"Stupid" is the kindest possible interpretation of their actions 0rganism Saturday #126

If they are not stupid then they are evil. The charitable thing is to assign stupidity as their major malfunction. Blues Heron Saturday #128

They called some of their own supporters worse than stupid. Rhiagel Saturday #130

Stupid? Somewhat. Racist, misogynist and white suppremacist? For sure... brush Saturday #133

What do they call us? radical noodle Saturday #134

A) They're stupid. B) Us calling them stupid or us Scrivener7 Saturday #137

Not stupid. Racist and misogynist. alarimer Saturday #143

I'm sick of caring BigMin28 Saturday #144

With everything they call us, I'm B.See Saturday #147

I think that the main flips were based on immigration and transgender ads JanMichael Saturday #148

I'm treating them like adults RandySF Saturday #151

Many tRump supporters are indeed stupid, willfully so. Sibelius Fan Saturday #152

They knew what the stakes were. They practiced malicious inaction. They don't get a pass from me. Efilroft Sul Saturday #153

A large portion of them ARE. Captain Zero Saturday #157

Let me fix that for you. Why don't we go with unenlightened or racist or sexist or all of the above. Native Saturday #163

The alternative to "stupid" is worse. maxsolomon Sunday #168