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Jack Valentino

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322. Seems like the former speaker envisioned some kind of ad-hoc primary happening,

Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:15 PM

Nov 9

after she talked Biden into withdrawing,

where VP Harris would be bypassed by the party,
and a white male would have emerged as the presidential nominee...
(which seemed to be the same idea promoted by James Carville, who disgusted me at that point---
but he did go all-out for President Biden's endorsed candidate, I'll give him that--)

all that does not enhance my appreciation of the former house speaker,
but she is pretty damned old herself.

Us older people are not always right.

My position was that a party who did not re-nominate their incumbent president
who was still alive, have not won the White House in many generations,
possibly since 1856.

In the end my position has been proven correct---

but in this particular year, I don't think our choice of candidate made any difference at all,
because the bulk of the people seem very stupid about economics

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Pelosi blaming Biden for endorsing Harris [View all] soandso Nov 8 OP

Sorry, Nancy. I disagree. RandySF Nov 8 #1

In retrospect I agree with Pelosi Du916 Nov 8 #52

If there had been an open primary? MattBaggins Nov 8 #62

Maybe roscoeroscoe Nov 8 #66

"If Harris were pushed aside for yet another old white guy" ?? Dumpy Nov 8 #101

Unfortunately, they said what they meant, Abolishinist Nov 8 #133

what is meaning of WYPIPO orleans Nov 9 #185

Phonetic spelling of "white people" in African American Vernacular English. Abolishinist Nov 9 #195

Yoga pants are uniform in East Central Florida. rubbersole Nov 9 #205

I imagine those will go out of style at some point... Montauk6 Nov 9 #208

Lol rubbersole Diamond_Dog Nov 9 #251

I'm white...and i season my food. What category do i fall into? Buckeyeblue Nov 9 #281

Funny, I have posts with the "word" in the subject line go automatically to trash here. phylny Nov 9 #294

It would have been seen MattBaggins Nov 9 #171

Not "pushed aside" Shrek Nov 9 #234

white guys is all we will get from now on Skittles Nov 9 #189

Women will never be qualified enough, politically astute, educated or smart enough to be elected President of the US! akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #242

Other than wild speculation, what's your evidence for that? Orrex Nov 9 #288

Did he really say that, though? moose65 Nov 8 #82

2020 Du916 Nov 8 #94

Hmmmm moose65 Nov 8 #107

Agreed Du916 Nov 8 #118

That was being floated around, PatSeg Nov 9 #175

Sorry, you need produce a direct quote from Biden. "Advisors" don't count. emulatorloo Nov 9 #303

He said he'd consider the possibility of one term MadameButterfly Nov 9 #192

Post removed Post removed Nov 8 #129

Hindsight is 20:20 Du916 Nov 9 #163

Sharp decline my ass. You sound like a hater. Joe is still a sharp, intelligent man. Trueblue1968 Nov 9 #165

Very true. LisaL Nov 9 #183

If he'd had such a sharp decline; then why did he sound fine at the event After the debate electric_blue68 Nov 9 #186

The over-reaction was just ridiculous. Biden had a really bad cold, I wish his staff had just rescheduled the debate. emulatorloo Nov 9 #302

Heh I didn't need any reminding! 😄😑 electric_blue68 Nov 9 #317

... emulatorloo Nov 9 #318

I think the poster was referring to debating and taking live questions Polybius Nov 9 #307

You might be right electric_blue68 Nov 9 #316

I don't think Kamala was the problem so much as MadameButterfly Nov 9 #199

AM radio for Dems has been discussed since the late 1990s Captain Zero Nov 9 #212

Rush Limbaugh has been dead for over 3 and a half years MichMan Nov 9 #243

They don't need Rush BannonsLiver Nov 9 #297

Neither of which have anything to do with AM radio. MichMan Nov 9 #300

That's yesterdays news too. BannonsLiver Nov 9 #319

Al Franken tried it but it failed financially. Still MadameButterfly Nov 9 #277

+1 pat_k Nov 9 #206

You may be right about the lack of time. AlanAdam Nov 9 #223

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Dems don't know how to play the game Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #4

The issue is that hat Rethugs play dirty Farmgirl1961 Nov 8 #15

My mom (rip) partly grew up in a sort of tough neighborhood in NYC... electric_blue68 Nov 9 #190

Some Dems know how to play dirty inside their camp but Skya Rhen Nov 9 #299

THIS onecaliberal Nov 9 #254

I admire Speaker Pelosi tremendously but I think she should not have spooky3 Nov 8 #5

And not now Lulu KC Nov 8 #75

Agree. Kind of strange. She's smart, been around. etc electric_blue68 Nov 9 #188

She may have passed her expiration date... Hope22 Nov 9 #194

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Just wow MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #7

And that is what pisses me the hell off Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #18

That's disappointing. Ocelot II Nov 8 #8

Thanks for nothing! BluenFLA Nov 8 #9

"Nancy Pelosi" texted me a couple of times... Alephy Nov 8 #10

Foolish! They are succeeding in having us eat our own. Jit423 Nov 8 #11

Maybe Woodwizard Nov 8 #12

This is getting insane. ananda Nov 8 #13

I'll say MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #16

it definitely doesn't help, and she's had a successful enough career that she should hold her tongue cadoman Nov 8 #79

Well said. nt akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #245

Biden should have never sought reelection, but after his late exit we were basically stuck with Harris. tritsofme Nov 8 #14

Even if we couldn't have a primary due to time, we still had last cycles results to fall back to. Lancero Nov 8 #74

Biden ran away with 2020, it was barely ever a competitive race, it was over after South Carolina. tritsofme Nov 8 #83

Not asking about President. Asking about potential picks for VP's. Lancero Nov 8 #96

I think Harris was a fine vice president and helped the ticket in 2020. tritsofme Nov 9 #217

I think she was a great candidate. It's the electorate that failed. ificandream Nov 8 #92

Stuck? Seriously?? After he CHOSE her as his running mate and presidential partner as the "last in the room"? ancianita Nov 9 #168

Yes, that's exactly how I felt. We had no choice but to run Harris. tritsofme Nov 9 #218

Incredibly disappointing! Mme. Defarge Nov 8 #17

The MSM was relentless. luvallpeeps Nov 8 #89

I was disappointed when his own people called for him to step down. Yes, the debate was painful to watch but that akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #249

She pushed him out. Is this the onion. Emile Nov 8 #19

Yes, she pushed him out, and now tries to avoid responsibility for the outcome. LisaL Nov 8 #58

Not Only Was She One of the Orchestrators Of Biden Stepping Aside hotellanai1986 Nov 9 #198

Pelosi should retire. Self Esteem Nov 8 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Nov 8 #21

That is CLEARLY what she was saying, WTF krawhitham Nov 8 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Nov 8 #38

RIGHT krawhitham Nov 8 #40

Fair enough. I stand corrected. iemanja Nov 8 #47

Joe endorsed Harris seconds after he withdrew, forcing everyone else to follow suit krawhitham Nov 8 #45

Why would he not endorse his own VP? LisaL Nov 8 #50

To allow the Party as a whole to chose a candidate Zeitghost Nov 8 #106

There was no time for a party as a whole to chose a candidate. LisaL Nov 8 #108

I think he may have been quick to endorse her early because Obama did NOT do the same with his VP... thesquanderer Nov 9 #196

Despicable displacedvermoter Nov 8 #22

She doesn't want to accept her own responsibility for LisaL Nov 8 #23

Democrats forced Biden to drop out. hadEnuf Nov 8 #103

Lawrence O'Donnell said that repeatedly PatSeg Nov 9 #181

With all due respect to everyone, I'm sick of the Biden Bashing. Really sick of it. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #24

So am I MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #27

So am I. Joe did an amazing job pulling this country out of the toilet trump left us in. The only thing that should LoisB Nov 8 #33

Maybe President Newsom COL Mustard Nov 8 #37

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If you ask me, Nancy Pelosi should have pressured Joe Biden not to run for re-election in the first place In It to Win It Nov 8 #25

Pelosi and Schumer agreed that Biden was our nominee 12/22 Arazi Nov 8 #84

That's because she was the one behind forcing Joe out, and now does not what the backlash, so she blaming others krawhitham Nov 8 #26

She put the final knife to Joes back, and is scrambling to escape now that everyone is reaching for a fork. Lancero Nov 8 #36

I strongly agree that President Biden should not have run for a second term. tman Nov 8 #28

Hindsight is always 20-20. LisaL Nov 9 #237

Even if there was substance to what she says Dave says Nov 8 #29

Unfortunately she is saying what everyone is thinking. It's bad timing, but not wrong. Pisces Nov 8 #34

Not everyone n/t Lulu KC Nov 8 #140

Pelosi should retire standingtall Nov 8 #30

She did more to protect us from Trump last time. How about she not retire LizBeth Nov 8 #43

Pelosi is 84 years old standingtall Nov 8 #49

Not president and doing fine and the one in there not a younger gen LizBeth Nov 8 #119

My feelings exactly. LisaL Nov 8 #44

WTF? She's blaming both Biden and Harris for the loss. StarryNite Nov 8 #31

It's the truth Zeitghost Nov 8 #54

If Harris had been passed over as replacement, we would not have marybourg Nov 8 #68

Sure we would Zeitghost Nov 8 #97

Solid vetting process? LisaL Nov 8 #99

At the convention Zeitghost Nov 8 #102

Convention was scheduled after a deadline to get on the ballot in OH. LisaL Nov 8 #104

You are seriously underinformed Zeitghost Nov 8 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Lulu KC Nov 8 #126

What you said Zeitghost Nov 8 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Lulu KC Nov 8 #130

OH deadline was extended, but the law wouldn't have taken an effect in 2024, because extension was LisaL Nov 8 #135

Dream on. Bypassing Harris would've splintered the party and lost the Black vote. brush Nov 9 #178

Biden rebuffed all attempts to convince him early Zeitghost Nov 9 #182

Listen up. I said a whole party primary in '22 where Harris would've sunk or swam like other candidates. brush Nov 9 #187

This black woman would no longer identify as a democrat. And I know plenty of other black women that feel that way tulipsandroses Nov 9 #207

I'm sure that will work out well Zeitghost Nov 9 #209

Seems like you are making all kinds of assumptions there. If you want to know my other intentions. Ask. Don't assume. tulipsandroses Nov 9 #214

The VP was the normal, logical and highly qualified candidate to replace a departing Pres. marybourg Nov 8 #105

A primary is not passing someone over. white_wolf Nov 9 #191

There was no time for a primary, when Biden was forced to drop out. LisaL Nov 9 #193

Strongly disagree. To not choose the sitting marybourg Nov 9 #197

This isn't about DEI scores Zeitghost Nov 9 #211

I don't think it would be called "passed over" Polybius Nov 9 #309

This isn't "advice" Lulu KC Nov 8 #85

It's the Nancy I know and love Zeitghost Nov 8 #93

I am not challenging her comments Lulu KC Nov 8 #114

The time for the truth Zeitghost Nov 8 #124

Good night Lulu KC Nov 8 #138

Who would you have picked as our candidate? StarryNite Nov 8 #117

Ideally Zeitghost Nov 8 #122

If the candidate was selected at the convention by whatever process, LisaL Nov 8 #132

The deadline was moved Zeitghost Nov 8 #134

It was not moved quickly enough. The old date would have been still in place in 2024. LisaL Nov 8 #139

Yes it was, it's been covered over and over Zeitghost Nov 8 #145

Maybe Pelosi should blame herself for forcing him out when it was too late to do so. LisaL Nov 9 #149

Internal polls had Biden losing bad Zeitghost Nov 9 #162

We don't have access to internal polling, unless you are a party insider. DiamondShark Nov 9 #312

I respectfully disagree. StarryNite Nov 8 #113

My thoughts, as well soandso Nov 8 #137

Biden was certainly NOT mentally declining Deminpenn Nov 9 #227

While I agree with you re his mental moonscape Nov 9 #291

Unfortunately, we were put in a position where she was the most convenient option In It to Win It Nov 9 #176

People will be feasting on COL Mustard Nov 8 #35

I think she is probably correct and I loved Harris and she ran an excellent LizBeth Nov 8 #39

I guess she hasn't done enough. onecaliberal Nov 8 #41

oh man....thank you stillcool Nov 8 #57

IIt is also raw story. niyad Nov 8 #42

From the NYT soandso Nov 8 #100

I wll wait for the actual piece. niyad Nov 8 #109

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/us/politics/pelosi-harris-biden-open-primary.html soandso Nov 8 #116

I can't believe how many are trashing Nancy Pelosi. This is upside Pisces Nov 8 #46

The truth is, she played a big role in what happened. LisaL Nov 8 #48

People here Zeitghost Nov 8 #59

Neither Biden nor Harris deserve this in the least. yorkster Nov 8 #72

Just like it wasn't helpful for her to force Biden out LisaL Nov 8 #76

I hated the way it happened, but don't know yorkster Nov 8 #136

This is beyond unhelpful. The Unmitigated Gall Nov 8 #51

It was calculated. She knew exactly who to run to in order to yet again bash Joe. bovine6 Nov 9 #161

Well, of course she knew. LisaL Nov 9 #170

Yet everyone says how the Dems can't get their messaging out. They have the media on speed dial Skya Rhen Nov 9 #301

Dems... Ollie Garkie Nov 8 #53

No, Rs do not march in lockstep soandso Nov 8 #144

Yes, they do. Karasu Nov 9 #173

I disagree soandso Nov 9 #177

You forget the details of how and why that happened. Karasu Nov 9 #184

Done? They very well may have the trifecta. I wish we were that "done". jimfields33 Nov 9 #252

Look like they were speaking about moderate Rs being done within their party. DiamondShark Nov 9 #314

Seems those moderates vote for the reicht. onecaliberal Nov 9 #257

I actually agree with her. Xolodno Nov 8 #55

Trump doesn't care he is term limited. LisaL Nov 8 #63

Hence why Biden should have stated right after he took office that he was a one termer. Xolodno Nov 8 #78

Well, clearly in retrospect, we would have been better off if we had a competitive primary. LisaL Nov 8 #112

I think it was, in terms of football, a Hail Mary. Xolodno Nov 8 #142

In 2022, she and Schumer agreed that Biden should run for re-election. LisaL Nov 9 #156

Going to need a link for that. Xolodno Nov 9 #164

Well, then the proper time to act on those worries would have been in 2022. LisaL Nov 9 #167

Pelosi and Schumer both said Biden's the nominee 12/22 Arazi Nov 9 #255

I love your patience and tenacity for stating the facts. Well done. NT akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #266

But Democrats lost the year that LBJ decided not to run again (1968) Polybius Nov 9 #311

True. Xolodno Nov 9 #321

The Only Way We Win Chicagogrl1 Nov 8 #56

The repubs Will SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #73

Yep. LisaL Nov 8 #77

60% of Republicans are MAGA cultists. Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #263

Oh, Nancy..... WVGal1963 Nov 8 #60

I really thought Harris ran a perfect campaign crushed him in the debate Tribetime Nov 8 #61

Unfortunately, LisaL Nov 8 #65

I wasn't thinking that was the world we were living in I was wrong Tribetime Nov 8 #70

Well yeah, they were counting on white females not to disconnect abortion policy from the policy maker. 49-49 during ... uponit7771 Nov 8 #87

Midterms didn't have Trump in them, which apparently brings out LisaL Nov 8 #95

Agreed. She left it all on the field. 5000% effort ecstatic Nov 9 #305

Power corrupts AverageOldGuy Nov 8 #64

Ironic considering soandso Nov 8 #110

Kamala represents the one cohort that didn't abandon us. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #67

Very true. LisaL Nov 8 #69

There were nobody better than Kamala. Dave Bowman Nov 8 #71

Passing over Kamala would have Sneederbunk Nov 8 #80

There wasnt much of a good choice anyway we went back in the summer... Mark.b2 Nov 8 #120

WHO Nancy just WHO was going to be nominated? flamingdem Nov 8 #81

Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 8 #86

Biden ran and won as a one term candidate to return stability to the Nation. Freethinker65 Nov 8 #88

I agreed with what she said. oldmanlynn Nov 8 #90

She's forgotten that she herself said Biden was the nominee Arazi Nov 8 #91

Yep. The time for any different candidates would have been LisaL Nov 8 #98

And an open primary might have made things worse. The MFer trump had our number this time. Silent Type Nov 8 #111

I don't think this would have mattered DC77 Nov 8 #115

leadership had a choice wichita Nov 8 #123

And if he'd been reelected Lulu KC Nov 9 #147

You nailed it. Dems eat their own, they need to stop that crap and learn from the rethug play book, rally around akbacchus_BC Nov 9 #271

Pretty sad. Our Party isn't in a great place right now. jalan48 Nov 8 #125

she still doesn't get: it has nothing to do with the candidate AlexSFCA Nov 8 #128

Because the reicht is so good at that... onecaliberal Nov 9 #260

unfortunately, we learned, none of that matters to most voters AlexSFCA Nov 9 #287

A lot of peoples votes weren't counted. People everywhere are saying onecaliberal Nov 9 #290

I agreed with you up until point 3 ecstatic Nov 9 #313

Meet the New Boss... MrWowWow Nov 8 #131

We fuckd ourselves. Biden one and done. Primary. MerryBlooms Nov 8 #141

she just can't stop herself bigtree Nov 8 #143

Should have been a one a done. Primary. MerryBlooms Nov 9 #151

Take care of yourself. mahina Nov 9 #230

Oh crap. elleng Nov 9 #146

As usual Dems form a circular firing squad Hassler Nov 9 #148

If Biden had dropped out a year ago we would have had primaries and had doc03 Nov 9 #150

They shut out other candidates! Arazi Nov 9 #261

Exactly. LisaL Nov 9 #275

I must be blocked by most of DU Arazi Nov 9 #282

WTF Nancy? The "other side" ran with and old, crazy, felon and rapist crimycarny Nov 9 #152

So true. LisaL Nov 9 #153

Maybe Nancy could have done something more substantive than a snarky clap Orrex Nov 9 #154

What do you think she could've done? Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #246

She could have refrained from armchair quarterbacking in the immediate aftermath of the election Orrex Nov 9 #286

Members of the Democratic party are feeding on each other, its a stage of grief yaesu Nov 9 #155

Maybe it's time for Pelosi and Schumer to retire as well ecstatic Nov 9 #157

Honestly RJ_MacReady Nov 9 #296

Bad take, Nan. JHB Nov 9 #158

Will the circular firing squad never end? Susan Calvin Nov 9 #159

That's what we are famous for, why stop now? LisaL Nov 9 #166

The important thing is not whether she gets blamed or not. Susan Calvin Nov 9 #169

I sense, rightly or wrongly, that this is an extremely unpopular sentiment to express at DU, however, Frank D. Lincoln Nov 9 #160

Not unpopular with the repro rights groups I am in Arazi Nov 9 #265

Take responsibity for your own actions forner Speaker Pelosi. CentralMass Nov 9 #172

Talk about rubbing salt into the wound PatSeg Nov 9 #179

What I want to know ucrdem Nov 9 #174

Can't you keep your mouth shut Pelosi. JohnSJ Nov 9 #180

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I dont agree with it all but you spoke some truths in thst rant. CentralMass Nov 9 #201

A broken clock is right twice a day. rubbersole Nov 9 #202

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Biden's decision to run for another term was a terrible, and tragic, mistake. pat_k Nov 9 #204

I disagree. I think forcing him out was the mistake. CentralMass Nov 9 #219

The reason we lost is simple DaddyShark Nov 9 #210

She lost bc White people are anxious about a diversifying America. Yavin4 Nov 9 #216

White people are the only racial demographic Harris made gains in Sympthsical Nov 9 #225

How do you know that she forced him out? mahina Nov 9 #213

Nancy, like a lot pros in DC, is completely out of touch with modern politics Yavin4 Nov 9 #215

It wasn't Kamala, or Joe, or Pelosi nilram Nov 9 #220

This isn't helping Meowmee Nov 9 #221

File under, Be Careful What You Wish For Deminpenn Nov 9 #222

There are no other candidates that would fair better anglesphere Nov 9 #226

and now we start eating our own young... Layzeebeaver Nov 9 #228

She didn't have to give that interview. FloridaBlues Nov 9 #229

Why the f*** isn't Pelosi asking where the votes went?? Why isn't she asking for recounts?? WTF???? 58Sunliner Nov 9 #231

The votes were never there- are we not getting it yet???? AkFemDem Nov 9 #232

Then why exactly is Pelosi blaming Biden and Harris for this? LisaL Nov 9 #236

I think she wanted him out sooner to drive more momentum AkFemDem Nov 9 #238

The time to replace Biden with somebody else should have been LisaL Nov 9 #240

She shut out other candidates at the start Arazi Nov 9 #278

That's what she is doing, trying to avoid the blame for what happened. LisaL Nov 9 #280

That interview clip is from December 2022 Arazi Nov 9 #283

We agree to disagree. 58Sunliner Nov 9 #250

If Harris had won, luvallpeeps Nov 9 #233

Love ya Nancy, but go ... Island Blue Nov 9 #235

Times reporting? Whatever. Scrivener7 Nov 9 #239

The problem is with the electorate bucolic_frolic Nov 9 #241

Nancy should retire. She announced on Election night Dems would win the house. Mr.WeRP Nov 9 #244

This just the Johnson/Stevenson all over again Blue Full Moon Nov 9 #247

WHAT? no_hypocrisy Nov 9 #248

Her hindsight is off. PAMod Nov 9 #253

Nancy Pelosi has some answering to do kansasobama Nov 9 #256

I think it hurt and not help. LisaL Nov 9 #270

Not exactly claudette Nov 9 #258

When was this primary going to happen at the time Pelosi and company forced Biden out? LisaL Nov 9 #273

I don't know claudette Nov 9 #298

She has her own legacy to protect newdeal2 Nov 9 #259

If they would have not given it to Harris sky_masterson Nov 9 #262

I agree with Pelosi NickB79 Nov 9 #264

Harris is much younger than Trump. LisaL Nov 9 #268

My honest answer? She's a woman NickB79 Nov 9 #279

So the top players are going to blame each other? A felon won the popular vote and our side Passages Nov 9 #267

Damn it Nancy please stop it... Ysabel Nov 9 #269

I'm sorry, I think Nancy was a great Speaker . . . hatrack Nov 9 #272

I semi agree with her -misanthroptimist Nov 9 #274

Well, if there truly was time to chose a candidate at the convention, LisaL Nov 9 #276

It doesn't stop it, per se... -misanthroptimist Nov 9 #295

Oh I'm sorry things didn't go as planned for you. Autumn Nov 9 #284

Pelosi julmur Nov 9 #285

Yeah but even with all that Turbineguy Nov 9 #289

All Well and Good Nancy But.... the_liberal_grandpa Nov 9 #292

Sounds like a smart gal to me Beringia Nov 9 #293

Her timing is shameful. Boomerproud Nov 9 #308

Looks like she threw both Biden and Harris under the bus Polybius Nov 9 #304

Who was he supposed to endorse? alarimer Nov 9 #306

Remember all those post about the war chest only being usable by Harris? Fish700 Nov 9 #310

This thread sucks. I reported it for sounding like GOP but it is still here. Boo, hiss !!!!!!! Trueblue1968 Nov 9 #315

made me very sad Brainstormy Nov 9 #320

Seems like the former speaker envisioned some kind of ad-hoc primary happening, Jack Valentino Nov 9 #322