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In reply to the discussion: Here's a compilation of the voter suppression / vote manipulation evidence so far... [View all]deepblue
(45 posts)Look, it seems the guy testified under oath in the earlier Ohio case. I think he gets a little more space in our dialogue than would be afforded an anonymously circulated conspiracy theory. He said he kept talking about it after the Ohio case, and nobody cared, so he gave up. That sounds normal. All he says now is to take a hard look; he says recount, but I think simply looking at the voter rolls and other public information for a few precincts should be enough. The only thing about the guy that bothers me is that he seems to have had his hand in a number of different businesses, though software and election integrity is his core effort.
Another thing is, it does look like massive disinformation and misinformation lowered dem voter participation. This makes sense, because for decades we've said if we can get everybody to vote we will always win. And the Republicans agree with us, hence the voter suppression. However, if the loss due to massive lying is a main reason, why wouldn't they cheat or continue to perfect an ongoing, even if currently flawed, technique, on top of that. Republicans always overkill. Nixon had it in the bag without dirty tricks, yet he felt he needed to burgle offices for what was probably only marginally useful information, along with all the other things. Reagan too. It seems reasonably possible the Republicans are working on the devices. Like the guy says.
Though anything can be hacked, scanners backed up by paper records is reasonable, and possibly better than a hand count alone, in that separate records complicate things for the cheater. A single tabulator for a state sounds much more likely and hundreds of voting machines.
We don't do recounts and go to court to raise ghosts and say boo, like Giuliani. And even in 2020, they wanted nothing to do with recounts, only going to court with crap.
You can see a lot of reasonable elements are involved in my thinking, and when someone comes along and puts it on the line like this, I think it deserves serious consideration. Okay, I take your point. In some places a recount isn't possible by law. A deep forensic evaluation of a number of blue and red precincts should accomplish the same thing. Which should be the norm before a candidate concedes. Here Harris concedes after only a few hours, and Republicans still put the bum's rush on her by saying she waited too long. Uh-uh. Let's not ever again concede before the votes are counted. It's a hole the Republicans can drive through when it suits them, like they did with Gore, and we get nothing for it anyway. All ready only 53% of Democrats think the election was fair, saw that today. We get nothing on the subject of faith in election integrity by conceding early. The Republicans are seriously driving it down for us, also. It starts to make us look like we're easily rolled. We have enough trouble with that image all ready, even if we are internally stronger than they are.