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lapfog_1

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208. I prefer the older SciFi

Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:47 PM

Nov 10

but in particular, as it relates to computer hacks and viruses, I recommend John Brunner.

"Stand on Zanzibar" - 1968
"The Sheep Look Up" - 1972
"The Shockwave Rider" - 1975

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brunner_(author)

amazing what he predicted 50 years ago, even before I was in high school. in 1975 I started working on the Arpanet, specifically on the IMP or Internet Messaging Protocol translator while in college. Long before it became TCP/IP and, via Al Gore's legislation in the late 80s, the Internet we both love and hate today. It might have been a better idea to have the Internet to remain a research network for universities and government research centers, free of commercial presence. No Elon Musk. No jeff Bezos, and all the rest.

But I will take a look at your book.

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I'm a little amazed at the number of DUers who are willing to join a "they stole it" conspiracy theory. [View all] LAS14 Nov 8 OP

Recommended Ponietz Nov 8 #1

Totally agree. But I expect more theories of how Musk changed votes all over America, or something. Silent Type Nov 8 #2

I am equally amazed more people aren't asking some hard questions. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #3

Probably the same people who gab13by13 Nov 8 #24

I missed that in 2004 ... Blue_Roses Nov 8 #45

Pretty long story gab13by13 Nov 8 #54

Ohhhhh... Blue_Roses Nov 8 #103

Sadly he died - more like, suspiciously he died in a small plane crash biophile Nov 9 #203

some states do... stillcool Nov 8 #87

Our machines are publicly tested before election yellowdogintexas Nov 9 #178

Questions are easy. Evidence is hard. I haven't seen evidence. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #77

Evidence SomedayKindaLove Nov 8 #141

Exactly. Which is why it is kind of shameful when people convince themselves of a conspiracy without evidence. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #150

I don't think it's shameful SomedayKindaLove Nov 8 #152

Good points. It may be natural briefly, but it really is important to distinguish between imagination and facts Bernardo de La Paz Nov 9 #180

Well stated! nt LAS14 Nov 9 #194

Yup! Kid Berwyn Nov 8 #145

Absolutely! SheltieLover Nov 9 #201

I utilize DeepWinter Nov 8 #4

He's not my president never will be Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #157

The alternative is admitting they've been bamboozled by hype merchants. RockRaven Nov 8 #5

We aren't as immune to hype and propaganda as we think we are. orange jar Nov 8 #17

How is Meidas Touch damaging? bikes and bunnies Nov 8 #84

I agree BonnieJW Nov 8 #108

The hyperbole, for starters. orange jar Nov 8 #148

yep, those clickbait titles The Wandering Harper Nov 9 #181

"We" live love laugh Nov 8 #139

Well it wouldn't be for want of trying. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 8 #6

I'm amazed that you are so quick to swat away the possibility when Trumps own daughter OWNS voting machine trademarks live love laugh Nov 8 #7

What? Blue_Roses Nov 8 #50

I have always wondered WHY we don't receive a receipt when we vote..or at least a verification by email or text or even BattleRow Nov 8 #52

That was discussed here after the theft of 2000. I learned live love laugh Nov 8 #91

Receipts would not be valid for counting but would be useful for auditing. HelpImSurrounded Nov 8 #109

Receipts would have to be validated first because they may be inaccurate. live love laugh Nov 8 #111

As I said. Not for counting but useful for auditing HelpImSurrounded Nov 8 #114

I have said for years ,hey you can't buy a stick of gum without a receipt, BattleRow Nov 8 #138

I thank you for this info.2000 was a year in hell for me,so it's possible I totally missed it. BattleRow Nov 8 #137

Just a suggestion bdamomma Nov 8 #124

If it was one state, I could buy the possibility. Self Esteem Nov 8 #151

OK, so you see proof and so now you're trying to minimize to one state. live love laugh Nov 8 #155

I don't see any proof. Self Esteem Nov 8 #158

LOL so NO proof but you try to minimize the impact to one state. live love laugh Nov 8 #164

I am more amazed by the number of people who think they wouldn't. travelingthrulife Nov 8 #8

What makes you an expert on how easy it is to manipulate votes? live love laugh Nov 8 #9

A number of persuasive stories on (deep breath!!!) Main Stream Media! nt LAS14 Nov 8 #19

Hilarious that you trust the same media that routinely trashes Democrats. live love laugh Nov 8 #47

they want an explanation for the 15 million who didnt vote Mr. Sparkle Nov 8 #10

In Pennsylvania, more voted in 2024 than in 2020. John1956PA Nov 8 #23

When the final numbers are in, the number of votes in PA likely will be up by around 60K, well less than 1 % onenote Nov 9 #187

There is no explanation Zeitghost Nov 8 #49

Hmmmm? Despite the massive door knocking/canvassing effort of the Harris campaign... brush Nov 8 #73

Thats the way it looks with the uncounted votes left Zeitghost Nov 8 #104

IMO that seems doubtful because of all the increased canvassing. Something seem fishy. brush Nov 8 #107

What evidence do we have Zeitghost Nov 8 #126

Are you serious? Busloads of canvassers from NY road to PA to canvass. brush Nov 8 #129

I've worked campaigns and am well aware Zeitghost Nov 8 #130

Goddamned right its fishy DiverDave Nov 8 #154

Its highly likely those 3 million votes, or whatever the total turns out to be DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 8 #132

Harris is still 11 million down from Biden in 2020 soandso Nov 8 #169

+1 onenote Nov 9 #186

Maybe you should wait until all the votes are counted before going tin foil? onenote Nov 9 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 15 #217

Shoulda been here 2004 Prairie Gates Nov 8 #11

In 2004 it happened in Ohio and Kerry has acknowledged it. milestogo Nov 8 #15

I tend to believe the Blackbox Voting Conspiracy Theory regarding Ohio the 2004 Ohio vote. John1956PA Nov 8 #32

People died because of it....... Hope22 Nov 8 #48

The programmer who engineered gab13by13 Nov 8 #57

I remember that,now that u mention it BattleRow Nov 8 #62

That was such a crazy time! Hope22 Nov 8 #74

I remember that. I think his name was something like McConnel. n/t John1956PA Nov 8 #93

Kerry has acknowledged it? That's the first I've ever heard that! -nt CrispyQ Nov 8 #85

Yes, he did. milestogo Nov 8 #89

We had reason. Jamastiene Nov 8 #25

They cheated in 2000 hannah Nov 8 #72

Yes the 'Brooks brothers' Hope22 Nov 8 #78

I remember that. Jamastiene Nov 8 #143

I did not say it didn't happen. Jamastiene Nov 8 #144

I remember that Babajida Nov 9 #200

I recall the comments post election 2016 sarisataka Nov 8 #12

Yeah, wasn't there a whole forum devoted to election conspiracies at one time? Dr. Strange Nov 8 #18

Way before Election Day TSF said the election would be rigged. Hope22 Nov 8 #86

If there was evidence, I would be on board sarisataka Nov 8 #95

I'm not concerned if you are on board or not! Hope22 Nov 8 #110

If we were in World War Z, sarisataka Nov 8 #112

I'm amazed by your short memory and naivete. milestogo Nov 8 #13

Election fraud is a lazy answer to a complex question Fiendish Thingy Nov 8 #14

+1 onenote Nov 9 #188

I will go as far to say... kentuck Nov 8 #16

THIS is an absolute fact kwolf68 Nov 8 #29

There are Democratic governors in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania tritsofme Nov 8 #97

They couldn't control the Republican space lasers that changed votes. onenote Nov 9 #189

Agree 100%. It's embarassing. We are supposed to be the smart ones. beaglelover Nov 8 #20

Denial is the first stage of grief. TomSlick Nov 8 #21

Also when you realize you've been conned. BattleRow Nov 8 #60

President Biden said the election was honest, fair, & transparent. TomSlick Nov 8 #161

I was referring to GOP acolytes and not so light,heavy weights. BattleRow Nov 8 #165

Sorry. I'm not tracking. TomSlick Nov 8 #166

We all have opinions BattleRow Nov 9 #176

Agree BannonsLiver Nov 8 #22

I am not going to argue about the possibility gab13by13 Nov 8 #26

Thank You For Your Continued Contributions SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #30

90+ for me. dchill Nov 8 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 15 #216

You actually think trump won every swing state despite the massive canvassing effort... brush Nov 8 #27

Not to mention every accusation is an admission, a projection. intheflow Nov 8 #53

I Will Repeat What Others Have Said On This Thread SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #28

Yeah Queens moved 21 points to trump because of stolen votes. Fucking eyeroll. mathematic Nov 8 #31

me too. but i also understand. who wants to believe it wasn't rigged? Native Nov 8 #33

Thank you. snot Nov 8 #34

I started out in college as a "black hat" cyber hacker lapfog_1 Nov 8 #35

With the resources and time required, you don't think this would be spotted before completion? LAS14 Nov 8 #41

nope lapfog_1 Nov 8 #46

BEST FUCKING POST orangecrush Nov 8 #71

You have to physically manipulate each machine LeftInTX Nov 8 #121

reread what I posted lapfog_1 Nov 8 #162

We have about 5,000 voting machines in our county LeftInTX Nov 8 #163

and how many different operating systems run on those machines lapfog_1 Nov 8 #170

You know this is the GOP CT. I have sit with both teams LeftInTX Nov 8 #171

I have worked at very secure sites lapfog_1 Nov 8 #172

Vanesa Guillen's family voted for Trump LeftInTX Nov 9 #173

Add to that ... relayerbob Nov 8 #131

Thank you. Jamastiene Nov 8 #146

With all your experience, and cred have you contacted gov't officials? Your Reps, or Senators IF they're Democrats, or. electric_blue68 Nov 10 #207

I prefer the older SciFi lapfog_1 Nov 10 #208

I've heard of him, and those books. It's a TV show, not a book... electric_blue68 Nov 11 #209

I sold my sister's wine collection back in 1989 lapfog_1 Nov 11 #210

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This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 15 #215

I'm not. Mosby Nov 8 #36

I don't think it is wise to discount even the possibility. kentuck Nov 8 #37

Donald Trump would never cheat. Blue Owl Nov 8 #38

Could be a factor - but it wouldn't be enough to explain it all TBF Nov 8 #39

Totally agree! kellytore Nov 8 #40

Of course they gamed the system Metaphorical Nov 8 #42

"Dominion owned by Republicans"? Evidence of that? Lay it out right here. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #80

Still waiting for evidence on your main (first) point. This might help you Bernardo de La Paz Nov 9 #199

THEY STOLE IT johnnyfins Nov 8 #43

SHOUTING doesn't make it more true. Hope it makes you feel better even when there is NO evidence. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 8 #75

Holy projection, Batman! tritsofme Nov 8 #101

How did "they" steal it SCantiGOP Nov 9 #197

It's a state of denial, pure and simple. Denial is why led a lot of MAGAts to believe the lasts election was stolen. Martin68 Nov 8 #44

Putin has learned a lot in 4 yrs. Xoan Nov 8 #51

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #55

And yet, markodochartaigh Nov 8 #64

More than trashing Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #106

Many Call DU an Echo Chamber. ruet Nov 8 #56

Name calling won't make troublesome things disappear. 🫠 live love laugh Nov 8 #117

It is not necessarily a conspiracy theory but the numbers give rise to some critical thinking. Jit423 Nov 8 #58

All during early voting, the Republican area LeftInTX Nov 8 #127

I'm a little amazed at those who, because of whathehell Nov 8 #59

more important.. it wouldnt be worth it going southmost Nov 8 #61

If there are states that were in play with many many ballots marked all Dems and one red X for TSF Hope22 Nov 8 #63

Magats are adding insult to injury gab13by13 Nov 8 #65

I think that it is unlikely that this election was stolen. markodochartaigh Nov 8 #66

This is precisely why they did it all that time. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 8 #68

Maybe it's all the voter suppression laws orangecrush Nov 8 #69

I'm not surprised. LudwigPastorius Nov 8 #70

It was our story before they borrowed it. Ms. Toad Nov 8 #76

The real question is LilElf70 Nov 8 #79

Really? Cirsium Nov 8 #81

Exactly. It may B.See Nov 8 #92

Sound reasons? Cirsium Nov 8 #140

jeeze, I guess cyber-security isn't really a thing? stillcool Nov 8 #82

Ahh, so you are of the viewpoint that the voting tabulator totaled should not be verified against the paper ballots? LiberalArkie Nov 8 #83

So recounts are just for Republicans? Sorry, but there's something sketchy about this election when Vinca Nov 8 #88

Truly, I think most of it is we live with a bunch of $hitty AllyCat Nov 8 #90

They bought his late campaign rhetoric about let the states do it. He had a big advantage... LAS14 Nov 8 #136

Mushy Thinking North Coast Lawyer Nov 8 #94

That is so, so true! I've struggled around trying to describe... LAS14 Nov 8 #135

I agree, but it easier to accept that TNNurse Nov 8 #96

Agree. Elessar Zappa Nov 8 #98

Thanks for this! I forgot about "no kooky content" as a forum rule. nt LAS14 Nov 8 #134

It won't do any good - Harris, etc already conceded. Our time needs to be better spent. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 8 #99

Thank you. William769 Nov 8 #100

I admit, the numbers seem out of whack to me. Bitbit Nov 8 #102

I look at a state like N. Carolina gab13by13 Nov 8 #105

Well they did. That's why Orangehead said he had all the votes he needed, won't have to vote after this... MaeScott Nov 8 #113

Moscow Mitch is one of the most reprehensible oasis Nov 8 #122

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt. n/t malthaussen Nov 8 #115

Do I think there was shady/illegal influence of voters' opinions... RevBrotherThomas Nov 8 #116

I could not agree more. beemerphill Nov 8 #118

Well stated. nt LAS14 Nov 8 #133

Well, we are free to think what we want Ferrets are Cool Nov 8 #119

Bbbbbbuuuttttt she had so many lawyers... marcopolo63 Nov 8 #120

They were announcing the wins with millions of votes still uncounted, pnwmom Nov 8 #123

I don't know why what happened happened but I am amazed malaise Nov 8 #125

So true. Jamastiene Nov 8 #147

Precisely malaise Nov 8 #149

I think they tried in 2020 but underestimated the numbers Blue Owl Nov 8 #128

I do remember that in 2020. Yes Biden won. But there were still weird areas where Trump way overperformed that does not SweetieD Nov 9 #177

They perfected the steal this time around. live love laugh Nov 9 #205

Yet we threw a fit about hand counting the number of ballots, without regard to vote tabulation. Silent Type Nov 8 #142

You missed the bomb threats at blue swing precincts? IbogaProject Nov 8 #153

I don't see that ending up throwing the election. Do you really? Really?? nt LAS14 Nov 8 #168

I will not write it off Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #156

Yes our resident right wingers are certainly having a lot of fun with all this. tenderfoot Nov 8 #159

What's good for the goose ... sleroy49 Nov 8 #160

Zero % chance Trump would gain in blue and red safe states if it was stolen. Quixote1818 Nov 8 #167

Sorry but you obviously dont garybeck Nov 9 #174

As I understand it, none of these machines are connected to the internet. Sure, you can... LAS14 Nov 9 #193

valid question. here is your answer garybeck Nov 11 #211

Heres a really interesting conclusion by this 2005 commission. LAS14 Nov 11 #212

I believe there was massive fraud. Just based on what Trump and his SweetieD Nov 9 #175

I hadn't heard that thing about Rogan obamanut2012 Nov 9 #183

I get worried about conspiratorial thinking gemini_liberal Nov 9 #179

Exactly berksdem Nov 9 #182

I'm amazed a people who apparently dismiss the repeated warnings before the election bigtree Nov 9 #184

It is disturbing. I hope it's temporary. I'm focused on what actions Iris Nov 9 #190

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 9 #191

And now you're choosing to believe something he says? nt LAS14 Nov 9 #195

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Let's hear it, then, for Trump's election deniers... Sarcasm nt LAS14 Nov 9 #196

i'd like to know why Slotkin, Baldwin, Rosen, Gallego, and Stein won onenote Nov 9 #198

The target is the presidency. The down ballot results are a tell. live love laugh Nov 9 #206

it was either jewish space lasers yaesu Nov 9 #202

MANIPULATING THE VOTE CROW50 Nov 9 #204

Entirely incorrect FBaggins Nov 15 #214