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DFW

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19. All countries go through periods like this. So far, we can be glad to be able to express our frustrations.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 05:14 AM
Nov 11

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There is a legend about a Russian in Germany arriving and asking for asylum.
The Germans case worker assigned to him starts going through the required interview:
"OK, we need to start with the reason for your application for asylum. Are you politically persecuted?"
The Russian: "Can't complain."
"Are you religiously persecuted?"
The Russian: "Can't complain."
"Are you starving? Do you lack enough food to survive?"
The Russian: "Can't complain."
"Then why do you want to come here anyway"
The Russian: "Here, I am allowed to complain."

Go to any of the so-called "paradise" countries, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland, wherever, and the people there will ALWAYS have something to complain about. When Bill Clinton was about to leave office in late 2000, the Europeans were telling me, "are you crazy to get rid of a leader like that? Can we have him when you're done?"

Whenever we have leadership that, on the whole, has done the country a world of good, those factions that are not so benevolent, and jealous to a fault, will always make up some ridiculous pretext to convince their followers that good was bad, and they need to make things better (or, "great again," if you prefer). Clinton, Obama, and now Biden have all been succeeded by comparative disasters. Each time, we asked ourselves, will we ever survive this? And, indeed, there have been good people, undeserving of the evil that befell them, who didn't survive.

But we can't give in. Resignation is what I heard when I visited Russia. It's not encouraging, and that was a quarter century ago. Optimism hasn't exactly flourished there, since, either, from what Russian friends tell me. I haven't been back. Resignation, or, rather, the lack of it, has been the one thing that distinguishes us from so many other countries. In France, they say, "C'est comme ça, qu'est-ce que tu veux?" (That's the way it is, what do you want?) What we want is something better. We say so, and we try to do something about it. That is what distinguishes us, take it from one who can see this from the outside. When the Trumpanzees say, "make America great again," we have to answer, "OK, but since you either won't or can't, get out of the way, and we will."

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Periods like the last 4 years is what makes it worth it. Groundhawg Nov 9 #1
Even when we win, we eventually will lose and have to start over again. n/t Yavin4 Nov 9 #4
It's like a cycle Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #6
Starting over is still better than being in a country where what we had for the last 4 years isn't even possible Groundhawg Nov 10 #15
is America worth fighting for? I don't know . . . The Wandering Harper Nov 9 #2
We fight for others Keepthesoulalive Nov 9 #3
Sure. Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #5
Republicans keep getting worse Yavin4 Nov 9 #7
It isn't the Republican party anymore. I don't know why they still call it that. Native Nov 11 #29
Democracy Shapes my time, not Wastes my time delisen Nov 9 #8
I honestly don't know. greatauntoftriplets Nov 9 #9
Ask me again in two years. sky_masterson Nov 9 #10
Those camps... Wuddles440 Nov 11 #40
I used to think so Nictuku Nov 9 #11
I think the alternative is worse -- giving up. One has to prioritize one's actions. Intractable Nov 9 #12
The founders were not Utopians soandso Nov 11 #21
"We will never have the utopian democratic republic as spelled out in the founding documents." OldBaldy1701E Nov 11 #24
Yes and obviously so EdmondDantes_ Nov 9 #13
Rule of law doesn't matter anymore. Education doesn't matter anymore. Facts don't matter anymore. Initech Nov 9 #14
This pattern has been going on for far longer... DSandra Nov 10 #16
Tax cuts and the national debt create a vicious cycle Yavin4 Nov 10 #17
Yeah, you're probably right. Let's just give up and wait for the interment camps and execution squads, eh? Oopsie Daisy Nov 10 #18
I believe the situation is this. OldBaldy1701E Nov 11 #27
You're right. The underlying reasons for THIS loss wont be addressed. hootman Nov 11 #30
All countries go through periods like this. So far, we can be glad to be able to express our frustrations. DFW Nov 11 #19
I think we need to focus more on local level JI7 Nov 11 #20
"Do we have the strength to carry on this mighty task..." JoseBalow Nov 11 #22
It's really not a comparison Meowmee Nov 11 #23
'America' the ideal is worth fighting for. OldBaldy1701E Nov 11 #25
Trump will hand over the United States to Putin Emile Nov 11 #26
I'm struggling with this question. RandySF Nov 11 #28
I will continue to fight. Dulcinea Nov 11 #31
Nope. Littlered Nov 11 #32
I'm tired of fighting! bif Nov 11 #33
I am in self preservation mode at this time. That may change. Not sure. boston bean Nov 11 #34
Get knocked down nine times, get up ten. nt GenThePerservering Nov 11 #35
It is not worth it but is there a choice? kansasobama Nov 11 #36
It is not worth it anymore. alarimer Nov 11 #37
Of course it's worth it Laurelin Nov 11 #38
We can't give up Laurelin Nov 11 #39
At this point I can't answer that. I know I'm old and will be counting my longevity in years not decades and Vinca Nov 11 #41
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