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OldBaldy1701E

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24. "We will never have the utopian democratic republic as spelled out in the founding documents."

Mon Nov 11, 2024, 07:23 AM

Nov 2024

Okay, fine. I can see that.

So, if this is the case, the we need to STOP WITH ALL THE PROPAGANDA SAYING THAT IT WILL!!!

Enough with the 'greatest country in the world' crap. Enough with the 'American Dream' bullshit. Stop with the 'anyone can be blah blah blah.'

It is all a lie. Stop supporting it. Stop spreading it. This delusion is part and parcel to why we are where we are. If we would stop with the dick waving and bragging we might be able to get a handle on things.

Of course, Americans LOVE to brag and dick wave, so I don't know what to do about this... and apparently neither does anyone else.

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Is America still worth fighting for? Are we just wasting our time? [View all] Yavin4 Nov 2024 OP

Periods like the last 4 years is what makes it worth it. Groundhawg Nov 2024 #1

Even when we win, we eventually will lose and have to start over again. n/t Yavin4 Nov 2024 #4

It's like a cycle Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #6

Starting over is still better than being in a country where what we had for the last 4 years isn't even possible Groundhawg Nov 2024 #15

is America worth fighting for? I don't know . . . The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #2

We fight for others Keepthesoulalive Nov 2024 #3

Sure. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #5

Republicans keep getting worse Yavin4 Nov 2024 #7

It isn't the Republican party anymore. I don't know why they still call it that. Native Nov 2024 #29

Democracy Shapes my time, not Wastes my time delisen Nov 2024 #8

I honestly don't know. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2024 #9

Ask me again in two years. sky_masterson Nov 2024 #10

Those camps... Wuddles440 Nov 2024 #40

I used to think so Nictuku Nov 2024 #11

I think the alternative is worse -- giving up. One has to prioritize one's actions. Intractable Nov 2024 #12

The founders were not Utopians soandso Nov 2024 #21

"We will never have the utopian democratic republic as spelled out in the founding documents." OldBaldy1701E Nov 2024 #24

Yes and obviously so EdmondDantes_ Nov 2024 #13

Rule of law doesn't matter anymore. Education doesn't matter anymore. Facts don't matter anymore. Initech Nov 2024 #14

This pattern has been going on for far longer... DSandra Nov 2024 #16

Tax cuts and the national debt create a vicious cycle Yavin4 Nov 2024 #17

Yeah, you're probably right. Let's just give up and wait for the interment camps and execution squads, eh? Oopsie Daisy Nov 2024 #18

I believe the situation is this. OldBaldy1701E Nov 2024 #27

You're right. The underlying reasons for THIS loss wont be addressed. hootman Nov 2024 #30

All countries go through periods like this. So far, we can be glad to be able to express our frustrations. DFW Nov 2024 #19

I think we need to focus more on local level JI7 Nov 2024 #20

"Do we have the strength to carry on this mighty task..." JoseBalow Nov 2024 #22

It's really not a comparison Meowmee Nov 2024 #23

'America' the ideal is worth fighting for. OldBaldy1701E Nov 2024 #25

Trump will hand over the United States to Putin Emile Nov 2024 #26

I'm struggling with this question. RandySF Nov 2024 #28

I will continue to fight. Dulcinea Nov 2024 #31

Nope. Littlered Nov 2024 #32

I'm tired of fighting! bif Nov 2024 #33

I am in self preservation mode at this time. That may change. Not sure. boston bean Nov 2024 #34

Get knocked down nine times, get up ten. nt GenThePerservering Nov 2024 #35

It is not worth it but is there a choice? kansasobama Nov 2024 #36

It is not worth it anymore. alarimer Nov 2024 #37

Of course it's worth it Laurelin Nov 2024 #38

We can't give up Laurelin Nov 2024 #39

At this point I can't answer that. I know I'm old and will be counting my longevity in years not decades and Vinca Nov 2024 #41