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OldBaldy1701E

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27. I believe the situation is this.

Mon Nov 11, 2024, 06:36 AM

Nov 11

Why bother? There's no escaping our destiny. It's too much trouble, I suppose.

Oh, there is a way to escape it. The situation is that we will have to change certain things in order to escape it.; Those changes will not be pleasant. They will alter the very setup of this nation. But, they will correct the problems, as long as we are willing to make the changes.

But, we won't. THAT is the reason why this question is being asked. Why bother when we are not addressing the underlying reason or the situation in the first place? It is not a question of 'giving up'. It is seeing that the reason for this will not be addressed and therefore trying to 'save' it is just idiotic.

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Is America still worth fighting for? Are we just wasting our time? [View all] Yavin4 Nov 9 OP

Periods like the last 4 years is what makes it worth it. Groundhawg Nov 9 #1

Even when we win, we eventually will lose and have to start over again. n/t Yavin4 Nov 9 #4

It's like a cycle Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #6

Starting over is still better than being in a country where what we had for the last 4 years isn't even possible Groundhawg Nov 10 #15

is America worth fighting for? I don't know . . . The Wandering Harper Nov 9 #2

We fight for others Keepthesoulalive Nov 9 #3

Sure. Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #5

Republicans keep getting worse Yavin4 Nov 9 #7

It isn't the Republican party anymore. I don't know why they still call it that. Native Nov 11 #29

Democracy Shapes my time, not Wastes my time delisen Nov 9 #8

I honestly don't know. greatauntoftriplets Nov 9 #9

Ask me again in two years. sky_masterson Nov 9 #10

Those camps... Wuddles440 Nov 11 #40

I used to think so Nictuku Nov 9 #11

I think the alternative is worse -- giving up. One has to prioritize one's actions. Intractable Nov 9 #12

The founders were not Utopians soandso Nov 11 #21

"We will never have the utopian democratic republic as spelled out in the founding documents." OldBaldy1701E Nov 11 #24

Yes and obviously so EdmondDantes_ Nov 9 #13

Rule of law doesn't matter anymore. Education doesn't matter anymore. Facts don't matter anymore. Initech Nov 9 #14

This pattern has been going on for far longer... DSandra Nov 10 #16

Tax cuts and the national debt create a vicious cycle Yavin4 Nov 10 #17

Yeah, you're probably right. Let's just give up and wait for the interment camps and execution squads, eh? Oopsie Daisy Nov 10 #18

I believe the situation is this. OldBaldy1701E Nov 11 #27

You're right. The underlying reasons for THIS loss wont be addressed. hootman Nov 11 #30

All countries go through periods like this. So far, we can be glad to be able to express our frustrations. DFW Nov 11 #19

I think we need to focus more on local level JI7 Nov 11 #20

"Do we have the strength to carry on this mighty task..." JoseBalow Nov 11 #22

It's really not a comparison Meowmee Nov 11 #23

'America' the ideal is worth fighting for. OldBaldy1701E Nov 11 #25

Trump will hand over the United States to Putin Emile Nov 11 #26

I'm struggling with this question. RandySF Nov 11 #28

I will continue to fight. Dulcinea Nov 11 #31

Nope. Littlered Nov 11 #32

I'm tired of fighting! bif Nov 11 #33

I am in self preservation mode at this time. That may change. Not sure. boston bean Nov 11 #34

Get knocked down nine times, get up ten. nt GenThePerservering Nov 11 #35

It is not worth it but is there a choice? kansasobama Nov 11 #36

It is not worth it anymore. alarimer Nov 11 #37

Of course it's worth it Laurelin Nov 11 #38

We can't give up Laurelin Nov 11 #39

At this point I can't answer that. I know I'm old and will be counting my longevity in years not decades and Vinca Nov 11 #41