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165. You don't get to chart the course of discussion about the election.

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There are legitimate questions being asked about the validity of the voting outcomes.... [View all] Think. Again. Nov 11 OP

extreme tin foil hat territory right there... WarGamer Nov 11 #1

Just asking questions! JoseBalow Nov 11 #2

State 2 of grieving... subscribing to crazy ass conspiracy theories? WarGamer Nov 11 #4

There are valid reasons why post-election audits are mandatory in most states.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #7

Documented example of flipping votes from voter's intention. 20 counties, PA lostnfound Nov 11 #132

They don't involve starlink either. reACTIONary Nov 11 #133

No, I consider CTs to be stage 3 "bargaining". I prefer the purity of stage 2 anger. notroot Nov 11 #10

Insults to discourage discourse are worse. live love laugh Nov 11 #28

We should always push back against misinformation Kaleva Nov 11 #36

"We" who? And what misinformation? live love laugh Nov 11 #98

Unsubstantiated rumors based on... reACTIONary Nov 11 #140

Is it a rumor that Starlink was only connected to battleground states? live love laugh Nov 11 #164

You tell me... reACTIONary Nov 12 #173

What actual evidence has been provided that the election was stolen? Kaleva Nov 11 #157

You didn't answer my question yet you want to quash questions. live love laugh Nov 11 #162

I'm asking "Where is the evidence that the election was stolen?". Kaleva Nov 11 #166

You don't answer a question with a question. live love laugh Nov 11 #167

So you don't have any actual evidence to support your claim? Kaleva Nov 11 #169

What "claim"? live love laugh Nov 11 #171

You don't get to chart the course of discussion about the election. live love laugh Nov 11 #165

It is your right to believe falsehoods Kaleva Nov 11 #168

You have zero proof of falsehoods. live love laugh Nov 11 #172

The fact that there is no proof of actual election fraud is a biggie Kaleva Nov 12 #176

Questions are being asked and you don't want that. What's wrong with live love laugh Nov 12 #184

That's a good point that you made. What is wrong with asking questions? XorXor Nov 12 #202

Well we certainly shouldn't encourage Trump-style baseless conspiracy theories. tritsofme Nov 11 #58

Calling BS is... reACTIONary Nov 11 #143

It's "stages," not "states" NJCher Nov 11 #121

I know... g and t nearby on keyboard :) WarGamer Nov 11 #123

This gave me some pause on that Jarqui Nov 11 #6

As an IT person (but NOT networking expert) RandomNumbers Nov 11 #62

Tulare County is in CA Jarqui Nov 11 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #181

This anecdote gave me a little pause too Jarqui Nov 11 #12

Well isn't that interesting? liberalla Nov 11 #19

Debunked. littlemissmartypants Nov 11 #105

Where did Rogan bring up Polymarket? Jarqui Nov 11 #131

Rogan is an idiot. littlemissmartypants Nov 11 #103

Well if Joe Rogan says it... reACTIONary Nov 11 #144

I'll wait until the DNC and the Harris/Walz campaign start asking questions. nt LAS14 Nov 11 #3

I'm betting they're asking questions NJCher Nov 11 #114

I am SO hoping... yellow dahlia Nov 11 #135

For weeks Harris visited the battleground states virtually non-stop. GreenWave Nov 11 #5

Michael Moore knew Hillary was trailing but he thought Harris was not. nt pnwmom Nov 11 #13

Well why did Harris keep bringing the big guns to those 7 states? GreenWave Nov 11 #14

Because those 7 states determine the election regardless of the popular vote. pnwmom Nov 11 #17

Question: why didn't Trump keep bringing big guns to those states or doing much at all?? live love laugh Nov 11 #29

Trump wants all the attention for himself. Ace Rothstein Nov 11 #31

That doesn't answer the question. live love laugh Nov 11 #34

Hulk Hogan and Kid Rock were around. TheKentuckian Nov 11 #51

Because he knew he didn't need to? whathehell Nov 11 #53

Because he knew it was in the bag for him. n/t yellow dahlia Nov 11 #137

I'm sure the democratic governor and democratic AG jimfields33 Nov 12 #201

Why did he hold a hate rally at MSG instead of focusing on swing states? live love laugh Nov 11 #32

No, because in an important election NJCher Nov 11 #129

lol, is Moore supposed to be some sort of sage or fortune-teller? tritsofme Nov 11 #60

The pollsters and other prognosticators strongly predicted a Hillary win in 2016 -- except for Michael Moore, pnwmom Nov 11 #64

Ok...his guess was right once and wrong another time. Happens to me too sometimes. tritsofme Nov 11 #67

And Michael Moore knows everything? LeftInTX Nov 11 #136

this means she was campaigning stillcool Nov 11 #78

not necessarily NJCher Nov 11 #128

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and she did close the gap with her visits LymphocyteLover Nov 12 #186

Wut??? EndlessWire Nov 11 #8

That's a legitimate question. Think. Again. Nov 11 #9

I don't know anything EndlessWire Nov 11 #11

According to Tulare County Registrar of Voters Michelle Baldwin.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #15

OMG! n/t EndlessWire Nov 11 #16

Voting machines and tabulators don't have modems Abnredleg Nov 11 #20

That would be good to verify... Think. Again. Nov 11 #21

It is a Government Standard Abnredleg Nov 11 #26

Oh, so it is NOT a steadfast, across the board fact. Scary. Think. Again. Nov 11 #27

It is the standard Abnredleg Nov 11 #37

Unless I'm mistaken.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #46

Does this mean you think Trump, Rudy and Pillow Guy were right to be suspicious of the result in 2020? onenote Nov 11 #52

Yes, they are well-known to use projection to .... Think. Again. Nov 11 #54

It is a concern for those who don't understand IT security Abnredleg Nov 11 #66

It is in Tulare County CA Zeitghost Nov 11 #55

There it is! The Tulare County Registrar of Voters Michelle Baldwin.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #56

It's not the voting system Zeitghost Nov 11 #61

Duval county: "Tabulators only connect to internet after the polls are closed" lostnfound Nov 11 #88

Thanks! reACTIONary Nov 11 #148

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That you know of. live love laugh Nov 11 #30

Any facts, or do you only push conspiracy theories? Abnredleg Nov 11 #40

Why would you be so vehemently against post-election audits? Think. Again. Nov 11 #48

Audits are part of the certification process Abnredleg Nov 11 #65

Audits are not mandatory and I have not seen any indication they are being done. Think. Again. Nov 11 #74

Then it is time to educate yourself Abnredleg Nov 11 #80

I still see no indication that audits are being done. Think. Again. Nov 11 #82

If they weren't being done as required people would be yelling Abnredleg Nov 11 #84

Audits are not necessarily "required". Think. Again. Nov 11 #95

They were when I poll watched during a recount LeftInTX Nov 11 #130

every state has different election laws... stillcool Nov 11 #99

Thanks again! reACTIONary Nov 11 #149

You have no facts. live love laugh Nov 11 #145

Unfortunately - some voting machines DO HAVE MODEMS - and ARE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET!!!! ElementaryPenguin Nov 11 #170

Do you know how this would work? EndlessWire Nov 11 #23

I agree that due to musk's company being in the middle... Think. Again. Nov 11 #24

Nobody in CA uses Starlink to transmit voting data Zeitghost Nov 11 #57

Yes, I heard it was used in all the battleground Quakerfriend Nov 11 #18

No! Starlink is internet. If you have a Starlink ISP, you get LeftInTX Nov 11 #139

Starlink is an internet service provider, like... reACTIONary Nov 11 #147

If you encrypt the data end to end with PGP signatures, there is little way to tamper with the data packets. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #22

But it is still possible, isn't it? And wouldn't it be worth doing audits anyway? Think. Again. Nov 11 #25

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I agree. Think. Again. Nov 11 #43

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If you throw enough money and resources at any encryption algorithm, it can eventually be fucking defeated. SoFlaBro Nov 11 #63

There is no encrypted signal to intercept and change Zeitghost Nov 11 #68

The Tulare County Registrar of Voters Michelle Baldwin.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #72

Connectivity to the voter registration system Zeitghost Nov 11 #76

Well, I hope post-election audits are done.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #77

They are Zeitghost Nov 11 #79

That's for epollbooks. Checkin data. LeftInTX Nov 11 #134

More like if you start walking, at some point.... reACTIONary Nov 11 #150

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No, because she is not a fan of baseless conspiracy theories. tritsofme Nov 11 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #83

Sometimes the truth hurts. This nonsense sounds exactly like the Trumpers four years ago. tritsofme Nov 11 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #94

So again, why do you suppose Kamala Harris accepts the results? tritsofme Nov 11 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #110

That's because it is a conspiracy theory. I'm still curious why you believe Kamala is not questioning the results? tritsofme Nov 11 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #117

If folks want to live in fantasy-land, that is certainly their prerogative. tritsofme Nov 12 #199

Donate to Jill Stein, so she can scam for recounts LeftInTX Nov 11 #141

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Actually, She and her campaign are raising monies for to do recounts. I believe that she announced it almost an hour & The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 11 #106

Is this not standard practice for any campaign? tritsofme Nov 11 #108

Apparently, NO it's NOT something EVERY campaign does...In fact, it appears that this happened 4 times & it's always The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 11 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Nov 11 #109

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Is Kamala Harris insane for "believing" the results? Or just stupid? Perhaps complicit in the steal? tritsofme Nov 11 #70

Is Garland too slow? Cetacea Nov 12 #178

Is he part of this goofy conspiracy theory now too? tritsofme Nov 12 #200

Audits of voting machine systems Zeitghost Nov 11 #71

Only one out of the seven swing states has audits that are "binding" on the outcome... Think. Again. Nov 11 #122

How many have reported issues that have come up during the non binding audits? Zeitghost Nov 11 #125

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For reference... 2naSalit Nov 11 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 11 #41

OK, here's the thing. ananda Nov 11 #42

Yes, why not simply do audits? Think. Again. Nov 11 #44

What, exactly, is the "thing" that needs to be solved? reACTIONary Nov 11 #153

There are flaws ForgedCrank Nov 11 #45

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And? ForgedCrank Nov 12 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #194

Well, you ForgedCrank Nov 12 #195

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Ok, then ForgedCrank Nov 12 #198

I don't think they're done unless there is a reason Meowmee Nov 11 #47

I believe post-election audits are highly recommended... Think. Again. Nov 11 #50

In my state audits are automatically done. My state also has paper ballots pnwmom Nov 11 #73

Good Meowmee Nov 11 #75

If there had been that kind of problem in our tabulation machines, pnwmom Nov 11 #87

Not necessarily according to the programmer Meowmee Nov 11 #91

No, I'm not talking about testing the tabulation machine itself. I understood what Spoonamore said. pnwmom Nov 11 #92

Yes I see Meowmee Nov 11 #101

I wish they would investigate, too. If Democrats were falling for Trump all over the country, pnwmom Nov 11 #107

Sadly they won't imo Meowmee Nov 11 #112

AND THIS.... Cha Nov 11 #59

first thing I've read that makes perfect sense stillcool Nov 11 #81

Yes and we knew it.. We Got Enough HINTS. questions about HOW they did Cha Nov 11 #89

you just know it isn't right stillcool Nov 11 #104

That one thing is Everything! Cha Nov 11 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #124

Aloha, Chin music Cha Nov 11 #127

Air Putins Kid Berwyn Nov 12 #197

Thank you, Yse they do. Cha Nov 12 #203

Let's Go stillspkg Nov 11 #85

Short Answer Botany Nov 11 #86

There were a lot of ways in which the election was "rigged" ColinC Nov 11 #93

I guess audits would show that. Think. Again. Nov 11 #97

Audits likely did show that. Audits are a part of most state's voting laws. ColinC Nov 11 #100

Only one out of the seven swing states has audits that are "binding" on the final outcome... Think. Again. Nov 11 #118

How many of the non-binding audits show irregularities? Zeitghost Nov 11 #151

Have they even started audits yet? Think. Again. Nov 11 #154

GOP access and copying of tabulator software deemed "serious threat to election security" lostnfound Nov 11 #116

And that doesn't even address the stolen voting machine from Georgia last year. Think. Again. Nov 11 #119

Every gaslighting disrupter on this sight cannot imagine such a thing tenderfoot Nov 11 #126

Every state I've been in has a nice systematic process. Igel Nov 11 #138

Wasn't '04 the election where Ohio shunted it's results.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #142

The Central Tabulating Office in Warren County was shut down Cetacea Nov 12 #177

And it's beginning to seem like the lower atmospheric orbit is 2024's Ohio. Think. Again. Nov 12 #180

Thanks! reACTIONary Nov 11 #152

Hi! This isn't hanging chads and dead people voting in Miami Algernon Moncrieff Nov 11 #155

I believe there is a chance trump may have cheated, and would like to... Think. Again. Nov 11 #156

Kamala got thumped square and fair Algernon Moncrieff Nov 11 #160

I respect that opinion, do you respect my opinion that trump may have tried to cheat in some way? Think. Again. Nov 11 #161

Nope. Americans are idiots. And Harris ran a weak race Algernon Moncrieff Nov 11 #163

Harris ran an exemplary race, especially given the time frame Babajida Nov 12 #174

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I disagree... Think. Again. Nov 12 #175

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I suppose that you don't know that Gore won Cetacea Nov 12 #179

Yes he did win questionseverything Nov 12 #185

I'm looking at the exit polls. Haven't seen anything so far. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 11 #158

That's one indicator that works sometimes... Think. Again. Nov 12 #192

I keep singing the same refrain. yellow dahlia Nov 11 #159

I ask the same thing Dem4life1234 Nov 12 #188