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Cirsium

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161. Yes and no

Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:22 PM

Nov 12

Musk pumped a bunch of $$$ into the Trump campaig, and had some control and influence (quite about IMO) over the national political discussion with that twitter thing he owns.

The Starlink story is a possible "honeypot," that is to say a disinformation being run by our opponents to lure us in and get us to bite on it, and then discredit us ad make it impossible to talk about the actual know ways the Republicans cheat.

There is no evidence that any votes counts were compromised by Starlink. Election results are posted to the Internet after the votes have been counted - that is routine. That requires some sort of Internet connection - that is what Starlink is.

If you remember back in 2020 there was a big kerfuffle because a clerk in rural Antrim county made a mistake when posting results to the Internet. (It is an exceptionally solid Republican county, which Trump handily won in 2020, but the results posted online showed Biden had won.) The actual votes and the actual count were not effected in any way by that error. But the Republicans went crazy over that, citing it as proof that Democrats were "stealing elections."

So far as I am aware there is just one clerk in one rural county who made one remark about uploading election results - not votes - using Starlink. There is nothing inherently nefarious in that at all.

Should election results not be posted to the Internet? Should certain ISPs not be used?

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Team Kamala initiates a recount,.... [View all] magicarpet Nov 11 OP

Got any other sources? Ocelot II Nov 11 #1

Yes. I'd like another source. I don't "do" Facebook hlthe2b Nov 11 #2

Me Neither. milestogo Nov 11 #7

It seems to be based on this YouTube video from Occupy Democrats PatSeg Nov 12 #167

thank you! hlthe2b Nov 12 #170

Working on locating additional sources fir links about details of this recount story. magicarpet Nov 11 #5

Mueller She Wrote,.. magicarpet Nov 11 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author magicarpet Nov 11 #9

TY for the Tweet from MSW on the Harris Fight Fund! Cha Nov 11 #22

This only mentions House and Senate races. markodochartaigh Nov 11 #44

Thanks. Cha Nov 11 #54

I hope they do the presidential race keepthemhonestO Nov 12 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #174

Looking for donations of $250. to,.. magicarpet Nov 11 #3

Just read a comment here that maybe Musk and his starlinks rigged the vote. brush Nov 11 #4

Musk's Starlink satellites moved voting data to the counting tabulators. magicarpet Nov 11 #15

Needs to be looked at. HTF did it so happen that a trump operative's... brush Nov 11 #19

When did they crash? BlueKota Nov 11 #39

No it didn't Zeitghost Nov 12 #85

From abc30 in CA: dchill Nov 12 #93

That is for accessing voter information Zeitghost Nov 12 #107

You can post this over and over again but some will continue to believe the conspiracy theory about Elon's beaglelover Nov 12 #160

I would hope so too Jansen Nov 12 #171

I don't think 'illegal' bothers these known vote manipulators. travelingthrulife Nov 13 #183

Starlink has internet connectivity Zeitghost Nov 13 #184

Not true Cirsium Nov 12 #164

Maybe that's why Shitler said his MAGAts didn't need to vote, because we have all the votes we need. WTF? OMGWTF Nov 11 #25

I know. WTF? And another poster just posted that Mucks' starling system... brush Nov 11 #33

Of course they cheated Cirsium Nov 12 #84

They cheated for sure. As for Musk being involved, it's worth investigating IMO. brush Nov 12 #114

Yes and no Cirsium Nov 12 #161

Is there evidence to the contrary? A quick look into it by the FBI/DOJ would'nt hurt. brush Nov 12 #162

You are replying to a post .... reACTIONary Nov 12 #176

You just made my case. brush Nov 12 #177

Ummmm... OK reACTIONary Nov 12 #178

It could be false but there is no harm looking into it. hadEnuf Nov 12 #130

There is much potential harm Cirsium Nov 12 #163

The true stories are already discredited. America went with the phony huckster's stories instead. hadEnuf Nov 12 #165

Whatever Cirsium Nov 12 #172

"Who is going to place the GOP under scrutiny?" hadEnuf Nov 12 #173

Look to history Cirsium Nov 12 #175

Of course, I do not expect remorse from the MAGAs. hadEnuf Nov 12 #180

And he said: "We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote." Doodley Nov 11 #36

Yup and that he and Mikey had a secret. BlueKota Nov 11 #41

EXACTLY but there are idiots on here that imply or flat out say that somehow, I'm delusional.... The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 12 #86

Nothing but speculation from the technically illiterate HelpImSurrounded Nov 11 #31

Of course it's speculation but how the hell is a trump operative's... brush Nov 11 #42

Consider: The Mueller She Wrote tweet is about congressional candidate recounts. Occupy Democrats isn't a reliable, ancianita Nov 11 #72

A recount is worth a try but there really needs to be an FBI/DOJ investigation... brush Nov 12 #111

There's no evidence that Starlink had anything to do with tabulating the vote AdamGG Nov 12 #89

Kerry...the midnight flip in Ohio Cetacea Nov 12 #96

Shhhh. We're not supposed to talk about Kerry here. HelpImSurrounded Nov 12 #132

You can believe trump's MSG rally trashing latinos and hinting that VP Harris had a pimp... brush Nov 12 #113

There's no evidence that it wasn't men from Mars, either. Why aren't we discussing that possibility? tritsofme Nov 12 #115

Read this and weep for the nation and the coming fascism we're about to endure. brush Nov 12 #116

Uh...What the heck does that link have to do...with anything? tritsofme Nov 12 #117

Starlink. Read it to the end. brush Nov 12 #119

Oh lord. tritsofme Nov 12 #120

Is it from a voting official? Seems so. Some minds are apparently closed and rigid too...not willing to investigate... brush Nov 12 #121

Is that your assessment of Kamala Harris? tritsofme Nov 12 #122

We have read it Zeitghost Nov 12 #127

I know where you're at, I still say it's worth investigating that any technology closely linked to a candidate... brush Nov 12 #129

Why? Zeitghost Nov 12 #134

Drilling tech has what to do with who runs the country for four year? brush Nov 12 #136

Precisely Zeitghost Nov 12 #138

Sure, trump cabal tech should be used by voting system and Munk should have unlimited access. brush Nov 12 #139

There is no access Zeitghost Nov 12 #140

You don't know what was built into it and what remote trigger capabilities are in it. brush Nov 12 #141

How many times do you need to be informed Zeitghost Nov 12 #146

Was that link from a election tech official or not? brush Nov 12 #149

It's official Zeitghost Nov 12 #150

Relax. Watch your blood pressure. brush Nov 12 #152

What an odd response. Zeitghost Nov 12 #153

Read this about Starlink. brush Nov 12 #118

It's been posted a dozen times or more Zeitghost Nov 12 #123

Voter registration data is accessible online Qutzupalotl Nov 12 #131

However, people would be turned away at the polls. LeftInTX Nov 12 #145

Read this from the technically illiterate and learn something. brush Nov 12 #125

Which adds nothing to the claim. HelpImSurrounded Nov 12 #133

Not worth investigating, a close trump associate's technology being involved in vote techology? brush Nov 12 #135

Saying Starlink was involved is equivalent to... HelpImSurrounded Nov 12 #169

I heard Musk had space robots manipulating the vote. Bonx Nov 12 #124

Read this about Starlink. I say it's worth looking into. brush Nov 12 #126

No, Elon Musk's Starlink wasn't used to rig the 2024 presidential election for Donald Trump Bonx Nov 12 #142

Heehee. No solicitations, pls. This is a TOS violation. brush Nov 12 #143

What's there to look into? hardluck Nov 12 #147

Fair. But we don't know if other states used it. No way should a close assocciate of one candidate's tech should be... brush Nov 12 #148

One thing that could change votes over most of the nation are the voting machines. Many states use machines by the spike jones Nov 12 #179

Facebook link to a crackpot Youtube video Zeitghost Nov 11 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #12

If she were doing this I would expect to get a fundraising email about it milestogo Nov 11 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #13

Agree Mossfern Nov 11 #21

There's this... Cha Nov 11 #24

Yep Tribetime Nov 11 #61

I got one. AllyCat Nov 11 #38

I have been getting fund raising E-mails nonstop, I think I got about 6 today. doc03 Nov 11 #40

I have gotten a fundraising email. summer_in_TX Nov 11 #70

They may saying senate and house seats to keep BonnieJW Nov 12 #109

I did NJCher Nov 11 #75

Dupe NJCher Nov 11 #76

ALOT of us already havebeen contacted & donated... The_REAL_Ecumenist Nov 12 #87

More than $41,300 ? MichMan Nov 13 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #11

Let me know when the Harris campaign says something LeftInTX Nov 11 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #17

If they do a recount, it's great. But so far, no new text LeftInTX Nov 11 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #37

"congressional races" NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 11 #14

Gotta start somewhere to look into any possibilities of improprieties if any occurred,.. magicarpet Nov 11 #23

They are often won on slim margins LeftInTX Nov 11 #30

The only way to get evidence is to look for it.... Think. Again. Nov 11 #47

Yep. Do a recount without doing a recount. IE yourout Nov 11 #74

Hopefully The Wormy Russians Fall OUT. Cha Nov 11 #18

"... the forces that brought him to power." OMG! WTF! They are admitting it. OMGWTF Nov 11 #28

WTF is right BlueKota Nov 11 #34

Yes They ARE! Thumbing their ugly nose at America. Cha Nov 11 #35

What the everloving fuck did I just read? JanMichael Nov 11 #59

It's from Julia Davis columnist for the Daily Beast.. Cha Nov 11 #65

I spoke at length with my Russia connections. GreenWave Nov 12 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #98

The bomb threats for starters n/t Cetacea Nov 12 #99

Yeah, Definitely! Cha Nov 12 #159

Believe it orangecrush Nov 11 #20

Yes, I want to see recounts too. Think. Again. Nov 11 #49

As someone who sat here through the "recounts" of 2004... Renew Deal Nov 11 #26

As Artie Johnson BlueKota Nov 11 #29

This is pure speculation from unreliable and hyperbolic sources. - Do not react HelpImSurrounded Nov 11 #32

agreed RainCaster Nov 11 #46

I'm not getting my hopes up MustLoveBeagles Nov 11 #57

Polls showed intensity for Kamala and her favorabilty outpacing Trump. Why didn't we see that in the results? Doodley Nov 11 #43

Many final polls showed a Trump win by 1 or 2 points Polybius Nov 12 #92

I am a fairly large donor to Kamala lapfog_1 Nov 11 #45

They are raising money to support recounts of congressional and senate races, not the presidential race. onenote Nov 11 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Lulu KC Nov 11 #52

Well hopefully when they're recounting those races they'll take a peek at the presidential ones as well yourout Nov 11 #55

Congressional races, not Trump n/t Lulu KC Nov 11 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #100

We heard for a month that there were record early votes from both doc03 Nov 11 #51

In 2020, Trump continued to hold big rallies and Joe did not. And Joe won. Rallies are overrated. onenote Nov 12 #80

Occupy Democrats is not, IMO, a trustworthy source Kaleva Nov 11 #53

Well, if there's a recount, then Starlink won't be moving data again.... Sogo Nov 11 #56

Elon Musk's StarLink satellites having anything to do,... magicarpet Nov 11 #71

not a reliable source. mopinko Nov 11 #58

Occupy Democrats is about as reliable as Meidas Touch calguy Nov 11 #60

Spewers of bullshit those two sources are Kaleva Nov 11 #67

What do you consider as reliable? Farmer-Rick Nov 12 #106

Social media BS Algernon Moncrieff Nov 11 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #102

I think the key would be recounts for senate races gab13by13 Nov 11 #63

From her webpage, she is only seeking recounts for some Congressional races, not her own. Link to her web page below ShazamIam Nov 11 #64

I find this hard to believe. Rainman4u2C Nov 11 #66

The OP is misleading and should be deleted. Kaleva Nov 11 #68

It's not the headline NJCher Nov 11 #77

Yeah, I don't get that ailsagirl Nov 11 #79

If the news stories are to be believed DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 12 #103

Occupy Democrats is not a reliable news source Fiendish Thingy Nov 11 #69

Please delete.. Texasgal Nov 11 #73

No RandySF Nov 11 #78

Just remember Trumps has been breaking the law all his life. He is not shy in breaking LizBeth Nov 12 #82

Seems like bullshit for a variety of reasons AdamGG Nov 12 #83

I got an email to fund congressional recounts. LeftInTX Nov 12 #88

This garbage makes DU look bad. Bleacher Creature Nov 12 #90

Wouldn't Want To Look Like The repubs, Would We? SoCalDavidS Nov 12 #91

Fuck that noise. W_HAMILTON Nov 12 #94

Sore losers, all over again Farmer-Rick Nov 12 #105

That's the spirit! Kid Berwyn Nov 12 #110

How is a recount going to make us look bad? Emile Nov 12 #144

To think that the party who gave us fake electors Emile Nov 13 #185

Praying this is true Babajida Nov 12 #95

It's not. Bonx Nov 12 #154

Awesome Cetacea Nov 12 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Nov 12 #101

Nothing wrong with a recount bucolic_frolic Nov 12 #104

I don't know that I believe a random Facebook post, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have Vinca Nov 12 #108

Occupy Democrats is useless as a news source and this is all just wishful thinking. Tommy Carcetti Nov 12 #112

Good malaise Nov 12 #137

recount the presidential JoeBydun Nov 12 #151

Start looking into what happened somewhere. magicarpet Nov 12 #157

Get out your checkbook MichMan Nov 12 #166

Stop the steal! Bonx Nov 12 #155

Questionable Outcome... Maybe Smackdown2019 Nov 12 #156

He said he had a "secret" wink, wink PatSeg Nov 12 #168

KICK!! bluestarone Nov 12 #158

FWIW I'm getting emails every day from Kamala Harris asking for Liberal In Texas Nov 13 #182