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46. Oh, has The Nation backed off their anti-NATO, pro Russian "peace" stance yet?

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 11:24 AM

Nov 13

The publication is manifestly bad at explaining the way the world is and articulating a vision consistent with the values of America.

So don't bother to take this ticky-tack criticism of attributing Harris' loss to campaign appearances with Cheney in the midwest seriously. They even set up some beautiful strawmen to knock down:
1) The strategy was to win conservatives and republicans (it was to win moderates and independents, which did happen btw)
2) The strategy was to de-emphasized campaigning with "working class" figures (Sanders and Fain did many campaign stops)

The truth is that the Democrats have always tried to run "big tent" campaigns. It's what you do when you believe your polices are in the best interest of everybody. The Nation wants to make the tent smaller. They want it so small they can capture it. They want to be the leftist version of the Tea Party that captured the Republicans and birthed MAGA.

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Liz Cheney Was an Electoral Fiasco for Kamala Harris [View all] Cattledog Nov 12 OP

perhaps an overbalance on that issue as well as too much on trump being a whack job which was already known nt msongs Nov 12 #1

totally disagree nt spooky3 Nov 12 #2

At this point they're just making shit up. live love laugh Nov 12 #26

They've been making shit up since the golden escalator. Initech Nov 12 #34

agreed 100% WarGamer Nov 12 #3

How do you stand being so. damned. right?? dpibel Nov 12 #37

That's a bit harsh. I don't think it helped but I don't think it alienated too many voters. Self Esteem Nov 12 #4

. Scrivener7 Nov 12 #5

As Lyndon Johnson said, cloudbase Nov 12 #6

I doubt Liz Cheney had anything to do with our loss. Elessar Zappa Nov 12 #7

I don't even like Liz Cheney but I admire her courage and appreciate her fighting for the Constitution. Jit423 Nov 12 #21

100% BlueTsunami2018 Nov 12 #8

I don't even understand. The mission was so simple. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #9

I found a few things about her campaign alienating The Wandering Harper Nov 12 #10

Nothing Harris' campaign did outweighed a goddamn thing that Orange Bastard said and did. SoFlaBro Nov 12 #15

it is possible to hold two thoughts at once The Wandering Harper Nov 12 #20

Just curious ClimateHawk Nov 12 #28

thank you for asking. It was mostly the convention that turned me off The Wandering Harper Nov 12 #31

Fair enough ClimateHawk Nov 13 #39

Right? I was like "wtff were they thinking with Oprah?" The Wandering Harper Nov 13 #42

first thing that comes to mind about the post-convention campaign The Wandering Harper Nov 12 #32

I think it was a waste of precious time appearing with Cheney Raven123 Nov 12 #11

Who fucking cares? Vote for Democrats. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #14

What a fucking joke. How the fuck do you lose "party first" people JI7 Nov 12 #17

Maybe I wasn't clear Raven123 Nov 12 #23

Guess we're at the granular stage GenThePerservering Nov 12 #12

Meh. I don't think there is good data to support such hyperbole. At some point the finger-pointing will become so hlthe2b Nov 12 #13

White women was one group where Harris did not lose support from previous elections JI7 Nov 12 #16

Not compared to Biden, but Harris lost some support spooky3 Nov 13 #44

I was guilty of giving her more credibility with Republican voters than she showed. kentuck Nov 12 #18

Why did Tester lose in Montana ? The nation is another grift JI7 Nov 12 #19

If that's true, that reaction to Cheney is as stupid as supporting Trump hawkeye21 Nov 12 #22

I thought it was stupid alarimer Nov 12 #24

She supported Allred and see what good that did grobertj Nov 12 #25

No: this is entirely on the voters who saw Trump as a Savior figure (saving them from the responsibility of decency) /nt artemisia1 Nov 12 #27

Totally agree nt Raine Nov 12 #29

Identify Politics fail. Republican women didn't cross over for Harris because of Liz Cheney. jalan48 Nov 12 #30

Didn't have a thing to do with the outcome. BannonsLiver Nov 12 #33

Liz had obnoxiousdrunk Nov 12 #35

I cringed all the way through it. But I thought... tman Nov 12 #36

For decades now, pundits on the TV have scolded Democrats to reach out to Republicans. Yavin4 Nov 12 #38

A little was ok just to thank her mvd Nov 13 #40

Recommended. H2O Man Nov 13 #41

Not wrong. Not right. IMO. notroot Nov 13 #43

Pfffft. Wingus Dingus Nov 13 #45

Oh, has The Nation backed off their anti-NATO, pro Russian "peace" stance yet? mathematic Nov 13 #46