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V850i

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33. Read the actual decision on Immunity - it is not that long really

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:18 PM

Nov 13

And it gives sweeping powers to the incumbent President. In fact the SC took special care to point out that his interaction with the Justice Department about declaring massive fraud in the election or seizing ballot boxes would not be considered illegal in their view. They did say that the President's immunity would be tempered by those he ordered to carry it out in that they are not immune. Kind of a lame argument IMHO, he can just preemptively pardon anyone he orders to carry out illegal activities. I think Sotomayor, Brown and Kagen's dissent was spot on. We are about to be in for the ride of our lives. I think the USA, founded on the idea of the people being in power and Law being Kind (not the King being the Law) and articulated primarily on two documents, Declaration of Independence and the Constitution no longer exists. I hope I am wrong but I think we are going to find out pretty quickly here.

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JOE, you have total immunity. Use it. [View all] Cyrano Nov 13 OP

He won't JustAnotherGen Nov 13 #1

This all day long John Shaft Nov 13 #5

Nope! JustAnotherGen Nov 13 #23

We can save ourselves by resisting everything. Magoo48 Nov 13 #53

Nice thought John Shaft Nov 13 #2

Christ, why are you still repeating this complete myth? thebigidea Nov 13 #3

He should arrest a couple of supremes first questionseverything Nov 13 #8

Why not? After all, "Total Immunity." Cyrano Nov 13 #14

I'm with you 100% on that KS Toronado Nov 13 #50

I'm afraid that's going to happen anyway. nt Susan Calvin Nov 13 #51

It's Rebl2 Nov 13 #55

He has complete and total immunity for exercising core constitutional duties. Isn't protecting the country from an LymphocyteLover Nov 13 #63

YES. fierywoman Nov 13 #68

Did you mean to say constitutionally elected president? Fish700 Nov 13 #79

I said what I said but I know Biden isn't going to be a tyrant. I'm just not sure why he isn't doing more to prevent the LymphocyteLover Nov 13 #85

If people couldn't be assed to vote against what they know Trump will do Fish700 Nov 13 #88

"assed to vote"? But otherwise I get your point. I suppose Joe thinks he did what he could & will leave the rest to god LymphocyteLover Nov 14 #97

What actions could he take Zeitghost Nov 13 #90

keep Trump from taking power unless they sign ethics agreements, for one LymphocyteLover Nov 14 #96

There is no constitutional mechanism or requirement to do that Zeitghost Nov 14 #99

I wish he would refuse to leave office to force a SCOTUS decision. live love laugh Nov 13 #4

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Let's see how it's"vanishes" when Trump doesn't leave. live love laugh Nov 13 #9

Trump will be dead by then. Meadowoak Nov 13 #17

That Maggot may very well be JustAnotherGen Nov 13 #24

Doesn't mean he doesn't have a dictatorial BlueKota Nov 13 #26

Force a decision to do what? TheKentuckian Nov 14 #93

Biden wasn't elected??!!! Whuttt .... live love laugh Nov 14 #100

You realize it is a four year term that must expire on or about 1/21/2024 TheKentuckian Nov 14 #106

Move on. live love laugh Nov 14 #107

I wish... FirstLight Nov 13 #7

Can you specify which crimes you think Biden should commit? tritsofme Nov 13 #10

Any and all to stop a fascist takeover of America Cyrano Nov 13 #16

Right right, they can't impose a dictatorship if we impose one first! tritsofme Nov 13 #19

Ah, yes. False equivalence. We meet again. Orrex Nov 13 #43

So it comes down to your coup is better than their coup? tritsofme Nov 13 #72

That's exactly my thought. BiggaThanLife Nov 14 #98

It's interesting that you see no difference between Biden and Trump Orrex Nov 23 #109

How bizarre, I never made that argument. It's you people who want Biden to act like Trump tritsofme Nov 23 #110

Your logic is flawed peregrinus Nov 13 #45

So you think Biden should stage a coup? tritsofme Nov 13 #73

Laws are for the people not the other way around. harumph Nov 13 #86

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What do you have in mind that won't be precluded by Constitution, federal laws, etc.? I guess Biden could kidnap trump Silent Type Nov 13 #11

Nope everyone is about the president of child rapists. onecaliberal Nov 13 #12

Magical thinking. Or watching too many DC or fantasy movies. Srkdqltr Nov 13 #13

I hope and pray that we grow out of this nonsense in the next few weeks FBaggins Nov 13 #15

Yep sounds exactly like the QAnon nuts talking about how the military secretly executed Hillary and replaced her with a Fish700 Nov 13 #80

President Biden swore a duty to protect the constitution. I suggest to use it now. Clouds Passing Nov 13 #18

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Attempted coup by the orange criminal. canuckledragger Nov 13 #38

Yes-- I would really like to know what the fuck he's thinking and what sort of discussions they've had about stopping LymphocyteLover Nov 13 #66

He's doing that by making sure there is a peaceful transfer of power. Fish700 Nov 13 #81

No need, but what I posted in another thread is ScratchCat Nov 13 #22

This would be a good start. Trueblue1968 Nov 13 #25

I hope there is an investigation into the Starlink component of vote tallying. OMGWTF Nov 13 #27

We've conducted one here and Musk is GUILTY! Bonx Nov 13 #28

So you have conducted an investigation? SCantiGOP Nov 14 #108

And he's too old to suffer repurcussions if convicted by the SCOTUS ffr Nov 13 #29

"Anerica needs to end"? whathehell Nov 13 #70

He absolutely must, the alternatives will be tons worse. jaxexpat Nov 13 #30

This makes me think Aztecer Nov 13 #31

Hypocrisy is a very human trait. Bu some people don't hate Trump because he's an authoritarian. tritsofme Nov 13 #32

Nah, we should just accept the boot on the neck. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 13 #35

Welcome to DU B.See Nov 13 #67

Read the actual decision on Immunity - it is not that long really V850i Nov 13 #33

It immunizes the president from criminal prosecution. onenote Nov 13 #36

Have you read it? V850i Nov 14 #101

Nothing in their opinions says the immunity allows the president to take actions that are unlawful but not criminal onenote Nov 14 #105

More of this nonsense. The Supreme Court said a president has immunity from criminal prosecution onenote Nov 13 #34

I wish he would pardon Hunter and that wouldn't even be a crime. StarryNite Nov 13 #37

That decision only applies to republican presidents yliza Nov 13 #39

No, he doesn't. This is a complete myth. markpkessinger Nov 13 #40

release unredacted mueller"report, pardon hunter, release unredacted jack smith report when he "winds it down" orleans Nov 13 #41

I Still Have Hope DET Nov 13 #42

But he said "Welcome Back to Trump" Jinny Nov 13 #76

Partly Because He Said 'Welcome Back' DET Nov 13 #77

I truly wish he would pardon Hunter! Hope22 Nov 13 #44

The supremacist court said that the president himself markodochartaigh Nov 13 #46

Do not go gentle into that good night. Ponietz Nov 13 #47

By overturning democracy? Tweedy Nov 13 #49

Maybe you should read the Declaration of Independence. hawkeye21 Nov 13 #65

Yes. I have read the Declaration Tweedy Nov 14 #102

Please read the opinion Tweedy Nov 13 #48

Sotomayor disagrees with your analysis asm128 Nov 13 #62

I don't disagree with Justice Sotomayer Tweedy Nov 14 #103

THE SUPREME COURT IS NOW AN EXTENSION OF THE GOP Skittles Nov 14 #94

I don't disagree with that either Tweedy Nov 14 #104

Yes, defend the sovereignty of the US now. Now or never. Use it or lose it. bucolic_frolic Nov 13 #52

I will Rebl2 Nov 13 #54

here we go with this canard, again. bigtree Nov 13 #56

If we are going to have a dictator I'd rather.... OhioBack2Blue Nov 13 #57

Who's Marshall, and what's his law? Seeking Serenity Nov 13 #82

Maybe have Pres. Biden give all democrats total immunity, now. Just a thought, and it's probably not possible or SWBTATTReg Nov 13 #58

I'm hoping that these clowns he is appointing are just there for the grift paulrevere2018 Nov 13 #59

Joe could just refuse to leave. N/T tonekat Nov 13 #60

And he couldn't be prosecuted for trespassing. onenote Nov 13 #61

He could Zeitghost Nov 13 #64

The person holding the Presidency (ie Joe Biden) has broad immunity. The people he would order to do kelly1mm Nov 13 #69

Abraham Lincoln Cirsium Nov 13 #71

We need a Lincoln moment from Biden. Soon. ElementaryPenguin Nov 13 #74

My opinion is not popular Cirsium Nov 13 #75

Behind closed doors... ElementaryPenguin Nov 13 #91

Thank you. This gets to core of it. harumph Nov 13 #87

Powder so dry it ain't even powder no more. John Shaft Nov 13 #78

and even if he doesn't, the doj has set the standard for how long it takes to ecstatic Nov 13 #83

Just curious if people are thinking should have gone full Seeking Serenity Nov 13 #84

He should change all the codes, cypher and nuclear and keep them, move all submarines and do whatever he can to protect usonian Nov 13 #89

He has immunity for crimes he commits during official acts. Iggo Nov 14 #92

Do you want Biden to use his personal forces to whack a goodly number TheKentuckian Nov 14 #95