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pinkstarburst

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131. I'm guessing probably reasons were complicated

Sat Nov 16, 2024, 10:12 AM

Nov 16

and had elements of sexism, racism, frustration over the economy and the bleak future (can't afford a house, McDonalds is now ridiculously expensive, when it used to be a fast, cheap meal, wages aren't rising to meet costs), but yes, we should examine how we can better market ourselves to all subgroups.

This doesn't mean we fundamentally change who we are. It's an advertising/marketing issue. We need ads that are reaching ALL groups. We need ads that are targeted at 21 year old white guys, just like we go after the Black men's vote, and the white suburban women's vote and the Hispanic vote. It's just smart math to leave no stone unturned and go after EVERY group because to write off any subgroup means we leave a lot of votes on the table.

But yes, if ANY subgroup of voters is saying "we don't feel connected. We don't feel like we belong and are a valued part of the party because of your messaging..." that is something we need to examine.

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We Asked Young Men Why They Voted for Donald Trump--Here's What They Said [View all] Nevilledog Nov 15 OP

I fucking figured all of that "patriarchy" talk along with "toxic masculinity" would start to turn off young, white men. SoFlaBro Nov 15 #1

Young white men wanted to be "turned off". It's rationalization for bad behavior. Walleye Nov 15 #3

I said it multiple times here - only to be told I was wrong. PeaceWave Nov 15 #5

You are wrong Cirsium Nov 15 #31

Right up there with Christians being persecuted TexasBushwhacker Nov 15 #33

Exactly Cirsium Nov 15 #40

Not out of date at all - it is alive and strong in Texas TBF Nov 15 #105

Exactly. The only thing this proves Diraven Nov 15 #55

It was in place LONG before the "right-wing media." valleyrogue Nov 15 #67

WTF? Cirsium Nov 15 #114

For fuck's sake... Blue_Tires Nov 15 #62

And I've got something else to say... Blue_Tires Nov 15 #97

This needed to be said. I hope we listen. Ilikepurple Nov 15 #112

Exactly right Cirsium Nov 15 #115

Post removed Post removed Nov 15 #125

If the shoe fits... AZSkiffyGeek Nov 15 #6

If they are offended by "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" they need to ask themselves why. Coventina Nov 15 #8

My white husband and three Bettie Nov 15 #20

And they wonder why we choose the bear NT AZSkiffyGeek Nov 15 #24

Based on the division it created in our own party, I wonder if that bear was Russian. PeaceWave Nov 15 #25

Or maybe women are sick of patronizing men telling them not to worry about toxic masculinity and the patriarchy AZSkiffyGeek Nov 15 #28

Exactly... I'm. A white man... Happy Hoosier Nov 16 #132

Neither is mine. Neither is my son. Neither are my sons in law. CTyankee Nov 16 #135

If conservative white boys are invited in, who do we kick out? Duncan Grant Nov 15 #30

It seems that what they actually want Bettie Nov 15 #78

I know these types Ndp5 Nov 15 #80

Young women are certainly turned off by the patriarchy and the toxic masculinity of Republicans. Quiet Em Nov 15 #46

So to coin one of their favorite catchphrases Blue_Tires Nov 15 #61

The truth is a turnoff. I quit caring about them a long time ago. valleyrogue Nov 15 #68

Based on most of the replies in this thread, Democrats still don't get it. Ex Lurker Nov 15 #71

Thank you! I am 100% for trans rights and inclusion. But I know that I fucking can't convince a Rogan listener leading SoFlaBro Nov 15 #82

Bingo. Nothing is accomplished by starting with "Most white men are toxic, dangerous and murderers." PeaceWave Nov 15 #87

Statistically speaking angrychair Nov 15 #113

And lost 2 elections to a burgeoning autocrat SDANation Nov 15 #122

We got 73 million votes (and still counting) angrychair Nov 15 #123

We DO "get it." People like you do not. valleyrogue Nov 15 #100

Harris was proposing to lift everybody up. Freethinker65 Nov 16 #128

Oh really. ismnotwasm Nov 15 #92

I'm sorry, but he sounds like an ignorant dick to me Walleye Nov 15 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author onecaliberal Nov 15 #9

Irony was certainly lost on him. nt RandomNumbers Nov 15 #73

Proving yet again, you can't fix stupid. CanonRay Nov 15 #4

It is self sabotage to demonize the single biggest voting block. We're supposed to be inclusive. PeaceWave Nov 15 #7

I'm sorry but I'm not going to include people who want to hurt and or kill people. onecaliberal Nov 15 #11

Not all young white men "want to hurt and or kill people." PeaceWave Nov 15 #12

Yes I know. I gave birth to two of them and am married to another. onecaliberal Nov 15 #15

You're wrong. "The overwhelming majority of young white men do NOT hurt and kill people." PeaceWave Nov 15 #17

Data is your friend. onecaliberal Nov 15 #53

How about you show us the data - since it's not everyone else's responsibility to fact check you... PeaceWave Nov 15 #57

Your last post on this site was 15 minutes ago, i.e you've had a chance to respond with Abolishinist Nov 15 #126

The overwhelming number of them don't care one way or another. haele Nov 15 #120

Really? Zeitghost Nov 15 #49

No, it isn't our "messaging." Why is this still being repeated? valleyrogue Nov 15 #70

"Not All Men" AZSkiffyGeek Nov 15 #21

They aren't the largest voting bloc. White women are. Nt spooky3 Nov 15 #18

We've tried to include them and they rejected us Blue_Tires Nov 15 #58

You have to be kidding. Seriously. They can't be fixed. n/t valleyrogue Nov 15 #69

From what I'm seeing, your suggestion is that we Bettie Nov 15 #79

Anyone mention snowybirdie Nov 15 #10

So, he voted for a convicted felon who will break up immigrant families, take away reproductive rights of women, Yavin4 Nov 15 #13

"Not their issue"? I can hear the whinging when the Phoenix61 Nov 15 #14

Sigh. Now the "lesson" Democrats will likely take from this is Bettie Nov 15 #16

If you vote for a known rapist Johonny Nov 15 #19

Sounds like a guy who can't wait to pay 18 years of child support after a one night stand. Vinca Nov 15 #22

No wonder that these losers can't find a woman, Squaredeal Nov 15 #23

They need Jordan Peterson to tell them to take a shower and clean their room AZSkiffyGeek Nov 15 #27

I am so fucking tired of men taking everything said about men as a personal affront to themselves. intheflow Nov 15 #26

If you say it like that, it's offensive to me. This is a forum of Democrats. When you say, "FFS, grow the fuck up, Men!" Doodley Nov 15 #60

Men who jump on women posting in liberal forum intheflow Nov 15 #64

Why are you so aggressive towards me? Doodley Nov 15 #103

Why are you making this about you? intheflow Nov 16 #129

Bye. Doodley Nov 16 #134

I'm shocked by what I'm reading here soandso Nov 15 #89

Thank you. I'm a white man. Should I be ashamed? I'm a poet, a vegetarian, a Democrat, a humble soul. I took care of Doodley Nov 15 #98

I'm a vegetarian, too soandso Nov 15 #107

We can be in the Veg Squad! I will remember your name and your kindness and look out for you on the DU highways. Doodley Nov 15 #116

Aww, thanks! soandso Nov 15 #118

It isn't intense man hating. intheflow Nov 16 #130

Perhaps so many young men has been bypassed in recent years being that the IT revolution bypassed a lot of them, SWBTATTReg Nov 15 #29

Will your response be similarly dismissive when AI "bypasses" millions over the next decade? PeaceWave Nov 15 #32

Yes, but the thing I didn't add the first time was that millions of new jobs were created back then, and will be when SWBTATTReg Nov 15 #34

I think, as do many others, that AI is going to be seismic, resulting in massive job losses... PeaceWave Nov 15 #35

I think a overreaction. People really don't know at this point what AI truly is yet. The tech is so new, that even IT, SWBTATTReg Nov 15 #47

I'm close to retirement in an unrelated field. My primary concern is for the next generation. PeaceWave Nov 15 #48

Perhaps congrats on retiring soon! The next generation hopefully is looking forward to this whole new field, SWBTATTReg Nov 15 #51

AI is cancer Blue_Tires Nov 15 #59

Fuck nic spanone Nov 15 #36

Did it ever occur to Nic that women in general are assumed to be inherently bad people because of our gender. Quiet Em Nov 15 #37

Where are you getting that? soandso Nov 15 #93

Post removed Post removed Nov 15 #99

So you can't address what you said? soandso Nov 15 #102

I could address you, Quiet Em Nov 15 #110

Your choice soandso Nov 15 #111

Wild statement? Quiet Em Nov 15 #119

My "type"? soandso Nov 15 #124

What is he talking about? I never heard Kamala talk about white males being the problem. ellemb Nov 15 #38

Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate told him she did though! AZSkiffyGeek Nov 15 #44

He sounds like a 21 year old boy striving to be a REAL man by conforming to the mythology. Ping Tung Nov 15 #39

So basically he kacekwl Nov 15 #41

Whining bitches with not enough education or sense to make living wages JT45242 Nov 15 #42

Well, I can only say that if Trump Dan Nov 15 #43

Maybe not women radical noodle Nov 15 #85

I suspect that his view Dan Nov 15 #86

They'll need cannon fodder radical noodle Nov 15 #94

Oh you poor little snowflakes! Did your feelings get hurt? yardwork Nov 15 #45

They may not be bad people liberalmediaaddict Nov 15 #50

he can ride out on the same god damn horse Anza404 Nov 15 #52

Try getting a date when you are homeless peregrinus Nov 15 #54

Idiocracy wasn't supposed to be a documentary. n/t flvegan Nov 15 #56

Yeah, OK. Solly Mack Nov 15 #63

Okay, the "Not all FITB are FITB " argument, weak... haele Nov 15 #65

Aggrieved white males afraid of losing a tiny bit of their privilege. valleyrogue Nov 15 #66

Alot of these young men today Dem4life1234 Nov 15 #72

Dear young men who voted for TFG, don't get fucked. raccoon Nov 15 #74

I will admit it Bettie Nov 15 #75

Good luck with them Dem4life1234 Nov 15 #76

I can't tolerate four more years of "understanding" morons and bigots. TheKentuckian Nov 15 #77

Which came first Progressive dog Nov 15 #81

Poor, poor white men. choie Nov 15 #83

Na you're just a salty little incel vercetti2021 Nov 15 #84

Bravo. You win the prize for least promising attempt at voter outreach. Yeesh. PeaceWave Nov 15 #88

As a trans person I don't give a rats ass anymore vercetti2021 Nov 15 #90

My Voter outreach. Dudes! You white right? Cool. Ilikepurple Nov 15 #101

Asshole. Scrivener7 Nov 15 #91

If ANYONE, male or female, tells me they "resonate" with Trump in any way, they are DEAD to me instantly! CTyankee Nov 15 #95

sonny boy needs to Kali Nov 15 #96

TLDR version "I'm very stupid and don't understand what anyone is saying or RockRaven Nov 15 #104

"Those guys are still out there and they're not going away." J_William_Ryan Nov 15 #106

No "real man" would vote for Trump--- Jack Valentino Nov 15 #108

Trump appealed to his base Docreed2003 Nov 15 #109

All that aside, any Trump voter can kiss my ass!!! oasis Nov 15 #117

Who is hurting these boy's feelings anyway? Klarkashton Nov 15 #121

Well he seems inherently non-critical thinking and easy to exploit and manipulate. Freethinker65 Nov 15 #127

I'm guessing probably reasons were complicated pinkstarburst Nov 16 #131

This will probably get me flamed Asa13 Nov 16 #133