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45. Please summarize your debunking in the OP.

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:23 PM

Nov 21

That would be kind to DUers.

I am agnostic on the argument - what I saw suggested some reason for some precinct level audits. I have long been a supporter of auditing elections similar to the kind of audits my employers undergo. Random unless there is a reason to focus in a particular area. Small scope first, then expand if issues are found. It's basic common sense.

But I have no opinion on the validity of Spoonamore's argument. I would be interested in your points, if you summarize them in your OP. Just saying "go read it at this other site" is not compelling. (even if the other site is a well known usually liberal-ish site).

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Please don't spread Spoonamore hoax [View all] creeksneakers2 Nov 20 OP

easy to see why people are so susceptible to such claims Skittles Nov 20 #1

Yes. A great many people choose what they believe by creeksneakers2 Nov 20 #2

repukes are easily manipulated Skittles Nov 20 #4

And... wryter2000 Nov 20 #5

Not that easy to inquire creeksneakers2 Nov 20 #7

problem is, none of it would make any difference Skittles Nov 20 #8

Absolutely! And lies work! creeksneakers2 Nov 20 #10

Considering the Pennsylvania senator vote was jimfields33 Nov 27 #126

He's attacking Harris now Sympthsical Nov 20 #3

This happened in Florida Miami Blue Nov 20 #6

Yep. Lots of voter suppression going on creeksneakers2 Nov 20 #9

+1. Voter suppression is the real issue, radius777 Nov 21 #17

Exactly! creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #18

It was actually the PA Supreme Court SickOfTheOnePct Nov 21 #74

You can count the ballots eleventy trillion times and TheKentuckian Nov 21 #82

I'll believe Spoon when Biden, Harris, etc., say vote result appear bogus. Silent Type Nov 20 #11

I'll believe that if they have evidence. creeksneakers2 Nov 20 #12

How could our side MFM008 Nov 20 #13

By having the media doubt our future claims creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #15

Yes, by all means, let's take republicon's word for everything. FoxNewsSucks Nov 21 #14

I'd be glad to look at any evidence you have. creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #16

I'm taking the words of Democrats here. carpetbagger Nov 21 #24

Who is taking the Republicans word for anything? TheKentuckian Nov 23 #89

I'm not taking Republican word for anything creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #98

Computer security expert not just some guy. Blue Full Moon Nov 21 #19

No reason to recognize the credentials creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #20

I'm not sure he's an actual computer security expert -- he calls himself a "computer security expert." LauraInLA Nov 21 #22

there's thousands of those in this country stopdiggin Nov 21 #29

See post #25...there are more of them questionseverything Nov 21 #39

not really. did read the post. stopdiggin Nov 21 #44

That has no evidence anything happened. creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #55

I don't know what to think anymore Mountain Mule Nov 21 #21

Sorry but your critique of Spoonamore has as many holes as his letter. garybeck Nov 21 #23

Fewer old machines around. But Spoonamore claims a complete count. creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #50

Spoonamore isn't the only computer expert calling for a recount. There is also the group of computer security experts pnwmom Nov 21 #25

Yes thank you. This article calling spoon a hoax is not objective. garybeck Nov 21 #26

What makes you say that? creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #28

see my post, i think it is #23, but to answer your questions garybeck Nov 21 #46

That doesn't cover the bullet ballot lie creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #49

no. no. no. garybeck Nov 21 #51

The "bullet ballot" stuff is definitely a lie creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #53

He didn't necessarily lie questionseverything Nov 21 #77

Not sure what you are talking about creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #95

The early results could of shown that difference and then as more results were included the difference disappeared questionseverything Nov 25 #104

Doesn't matter when the votes arrived creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #110

I don't think you are paying attention to what I'm saying creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #94

Ask the Chinese and the nsa, every freaking back door is an opening questionseverything Nov 25 #105

Even if you are Chines or NSA creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #109

Ok you are goofing now, talking physical back doors lol questionseverything Nov 26 #114

Nobody knows how many votes there are until its over. creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #115

Improper? osteopath6 Nov 25 #107

Thank you for this! Mountain Mule Nov 21 #27

Please don't blame them. creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #32

I was quite worried about this creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #31

All the evidence you need is that the breaches did occur. They had the opportunity. And the remedy is simple. pnwmom Nov 21 #34

Thank You DET Nov 21 #35

They spent 4 years training us to defend the 2020 election, then all elections -- even though pnwmom Nov 21 #36

If its obvious creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #58

They would have to find a way get the soltware into the machines. creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #54

The breaches prove they could have found a way to reprogram. creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #57

The breaches themselves show they had the opportunity to reprogram. nt pnwmom Nov 21 #62

They also show they got caught creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #64

So? pnwmom Nov 21 #65

So? creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #68

I'm not saying the election WAS fixed. I'm saying there's enough evidence to show it COULD HAVE BEEN FIXED. pnwmom Nov 21 #73

Eight machines would not have been enough to fix the election. creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #96

With the information gained in the breaches, they could have gone on to hack many more machines pnwmom Nov 25 #103

But you would have to break in to the others. Not easy. creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #111

You don't know that. That's the point. It's very possible that the information gained in the breaches pnwmom Nov 26 #112

If you don't have physical access creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #117

That's what they were saying BEFORE the breaches were discovered in 2022. nt pnwmom Nov 26 #119

Partial hand recount sounds like a GREAT idea! ElementaryPenguin Nov 21 #72

There are more than this Blue Full Moon Nov 21 #30

I've seen demonstations of machines being hacked in minutes creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #33

They don't need physical access to the machines on the day of the election. They could have tampered with pnwmom Nov 21 #37

yes. but even moreso, it's the memory cards. they are removed and repgrogrammed every election. n/t garybeck Nov 21 #47

By people with physical access. creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #63

Yes by insiders either from the machine company or the election office questionseverything Nov 21 #76

Not that easy because the machines are tested over and over. creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #97

Post # 51 questionseverything Nov 25 #106

We did cover this before, but I still disagree creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #108

Every thing you said after the second sentence was incorrect, you are mixing me up with some one else questionseverything Nov 26 #113

You referred me to post 51 creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #118

You assume a lot about a lot of things questionseverything Nov 26 #120

They could not have coded months before creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #59

What makes you think that? nt pnwmom Nov 21 #61

Because recoding requires access creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #67

I really wish you knew what you were talking about nbsmom Nov 21 #84

They are not supposed to be connected. creeksneakers2 Nov 22 #85

I don't care what kind of machine it is creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #99

In this day of technology Blue_Roses Nov 21 #38

I think it's interesting that the state of WA, which has only mail in ballots, kept under lock, pnwmom Nov 21 #48

Interesting creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #70

I think if its going to be alleged there needs to be some evidence creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #60

That's a given... Blue_Roses Nov 21 #83

I kind of doubt it creeksneakers2 Nov 22 #86

With all due respect, Blue_Roses Nov 25 #92

Ask you daughter creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #93

Why don't you ask the Chinese hackers who have infiltrated questionseverything Nov 26 #121

The NSA computers were networked. creeksneakers2 Nov 26 #122

So are the report pages of every sos in the country questionseverything Nov 26 #123

The report pages are not linked to the machines. creeksneakers2 Nov 27 #124

You pretending you don't understand how a rig could be accomplished doesn't mean you are correct questionseverything Nov 27 #125

I can't find it. What is her name? creeksneakers2 Nov 28 #127

I just can't understand how Trump won North Carolina JanMichael Nov 21 #40

Vote spitting is common in NC Abnredleg Nov 21 #41

I'm aware of that thank you. This wasn't a normal election. JanMichael Nov 21 #42

But yet the results are typical for NC Abnredleg Nov 21 #43

There's more ScratchCat Nov 21 #66

I'd be all for a movement to have that every time creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #71

It's illegal to hand count ballots in Florida questionseverything Nov 22 #87

Please summarize your debunking in the OP. RandomNumbers Nov 21 #45

i read his article garybeck Nov 21 #52

His magic bullet ballot thing was definitely a lie, that's not in dispute. tritsofme Nov 21 #56

Its very appropriate creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #100

I had to use a link creeksneakers2 Nov 21 #69

Spoonamore is a republican. DiamondShark Nov 21 #75

Wondering why someone who's been on DU since 2003 has no recollection of the crap GOP has been pulling since HAVA nbsmom Nov 21 #78

The last thing election deniers care about is democracy iemanja Nov 21 #80

I'm all for fighting. I'm opposed to flailing. TheKentuckian Nov 23 #90

Yes, If Trump lost he would say it was fixed creeksneakers2 Nov 25 #101

I gave the reasons its a hoax creeksneakers2 Nov 24 #91

Sadly, our side doesn't engage in less iemanja Nov 21 #79

that's what you call a "hoax"? stillcool Nov 21 #81

Just playing with syllables here- marybourg Nov 23 #88

Thank you osteopath6 Nov 25 #102

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