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muriel_volestrangler

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31. "Wrong track"/"right track" is a lazy, pointless poll question that should always be ignored

Tue Nov 26, 2024, 12:11 PM

Nov 26

It could mean almost anything. Some people might have been looking at the rise of xenophobia and bigotry, and thought "America is on the wrong track"; while the xenophobes and bigots thought "look at the immigrants and LGBTQ people - America is on the wrong track". Some might look at the presidency, and think "wrong track"; some might look at Congress, or the Supreme Court (especially after Dobbs) and think "wrong track".

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We lost because the incumbent president had a 39% approval rating and 70% of Americans felt we were on the wrong track. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 OP

And a change... AfternoonJoe Nov 26 #1

If Joe had a 50% approval rating we wouldn't have had to change anything. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #3

Voting for Trump peregrinus Nov 26 #2

We lost because journalism is dead Charging Triceratops Nov 26 #54

100!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 26 #78

i thought i was reading news max Nimble_Idea Nov 26 #4

No need to be abusive DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #6

Unfair things happen when you are incapable of defending yourself verbally BeyondGeography Nov 26 #5

Now we need to know why 70% of America thought we were on the wrong track. Autumn Nov 26 #7

My take on it is this: whopis01 Nov 26 #11

The MAGA base isn't enough to win by itself. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #12

Never said it was whopis01 Nov 26 #26

And bigotry, bigotry, bigotry... travelingthrulife Nov 26 #15

I think one and two have nothing to do with it. Trump or any republican are Autumn Nov 26 #16

I am confused by your response whopis01 Nov 27 #99

Because about 21% of the population is conservative. Mix in religions because a lot of them such as Autumn Nov 27 #105

When you said "one and two have nothing to do with it" whopis01 Nov 27 #106

Your rent goes up fifty percent in four years you start looking for someone to blame. Jk23 Nov 26 #27

☝🏾THIS!☝ Its called "real wage index" which disconnected from the 2019 trajectory cause rise in prices. So telling some uponit7771 Nov 26 #34

Only an idiot believes that John Shaft Nov 26 #88

Has Adley Stevenson pointed out to one of his supporters Jk23 Nov 26 #94

Donald "Child Rapist" Trump supporters are idiots and Bad People. Period. John Shaft Nov 27 #100

Show me 50% dpibel Nov 26 #91

Location specific in my neck of the woods they didn't really go up 50% Jk23 Nov 26 #93

"Not me, but I'm sure there's somebody." dpibel Nov 27 #97

"Wrong track"/"right track" is a lazy, pointless poll question that should always be ignored muriel_volestrangler Nov 26 #31

I would've said we were on the wrong track SharonClark Nov 26 #52

No it really isn't. It's really very simple, struggling people vote their pocketbook. Autumn Nov 26 #60

There's nothing about "pocketbook" or "economy" in "this country is on the wrong track" muriel_volestrangler Nov 26 #62

You should understand that for some people the economy does suck. Autumn Nov 26 #65

But that doesn't mean the poll question is any good. muriel_volestrangler Nov 26 #67

Sure, but I'm not interested in a poll. One can have a conversation about many reasons why Autumn Nov 26 #75

I think it does if the questions have different answers. Ilikepurple Nov 26 #79

I don't think a poll is the cure all to tell us why we lost. I think an honest discussion Autumn Nov 27 #103

***REAL WAGES DISCONNECTED FROM 2019 TRAJECTORY!!!*** People, it's that simple. DNC was talkin about acronyms the uponit7771 Nov 26 #33

That's it. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #48

Right. And some people just don't fucking get it. Autumn Nov 26 #66

Inflation was the biggest issue Jose Garcia Nov 26 #37

One thing I learned in medicine biophile Nov 26 #8

And why was that? Happy Hoosier Nov 26 #9

Exactly Redleg Nov 26 #13

Journalism died with false equivalent doctrine RainCaster Nov 26 #14

Manufactured opinion over facts Tesha Nov 26 #10

But even with those numbers both Biden and Harris would have won JI7 Nov 26 #17

False perceptions reveal the influence of the RW media landscape Martin Eden Nov 26 #18

Now we're headed off the tracks. N/T tonekat Nov 26 #19

Got that right orangecrush Nov 26 #43

Misses the whole point of how that opinion was crafted JCMach1 Nov 26 #20

It would have still been good just four years ago. TheKentuckian Nov 26 #70

Correct. onenote Nov 26 #21

Agree Kaleva Nov 26 #25

Yup. Elessar Zappa Nov 26 #29

Baked in to an extant but not hopelessly baked in standingtall Nov 26 #35

At least someone here can tell us what is correct and what is not. Ilikepurple Nov 26 #82

Throw in inflation which most Americans dont care to understand the real cause oldmanlynn Nov 26 #22

And that 39% and 70% were due to media failure and propaganda success. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 26 #23

Get ready for no track. Sneederbunk Nov 26 #24

Good point. Elessar Zappa Nov 26 #28

I lay that at the feet of the "left wing media" WhiteTara Nov 26 #30

It's really that simple. Democrats arguably outperformed from those numbers considerably. tritsofme Nov 26 #32

right track/wrong track has been trending in the wrong direction for many years. WarGamer Nov 26 #36

And short-sighted voters forgot why trump lost big in 2020 Zambero Nov 26 #38

Joe was hovering near 40% since Nov 2021-- A Democrat would have needed to differentiate him/herself from Joe andym Nov 26 #39

Inflation got like it was in large part because of Trumps mishandling of the pandemic standingtall Nov 26 #41

Not sure messaging could help: price increases finished off Carter, Bush Sr, and almost Reagan andym Nov 26 #77

I was very young, but I remember Carter losing in 1980 standingtall Nov 26 #85

President Biden mr715 Nov 26 #40

Rather Biden was owed anything is irrelevant standingtall Nov 26 #42

Biden was at the head of the ship mr715 Nov 26 #44

I couldnt disagree more. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #49

Hindsight is 20/20 mr715 Nov 26 #50

Inflation kiilled us. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #51

I think inflation is the excuse mr715 Nov 26 #55

Our politics are polarized. Both sides start with, say, 45% of the vote DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #56

I think then we pretty much agree mr715 Nov 26 #57

Have a great day DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #58

We lost because the media didn't celebrate Biden's accomplishments Easterncedar Nov 26 #45

We lost because Biden himself couldn't articulate Biden's accomplishments mr715 Nov 26 #53

At this late date, we were counting on the media to celebrate accomplishments? TheKentuckian Nov 26 #64

And that's because we lack sufficient means ibegurpard Nov 26 #46

Odd how those 70% who were carping about the lousy economy under Biden are suddenly setting records for Vinca Nov 26 #47

No, When we allowed the billionaires in our party to decide to end Joe Biden... Demsrule86 Nov 26 #59

Biden was on track to get Mondaled and dig holes in the House and Senate to match. TheKentuckian Nov 26 #68

Pretty complicated to say an incumbent President shouldn't seek reelection standingtall Nov 26 #71

Post removed Post removed Nov 26 #95

They probably did the early debate because they got goaded into it standingtall Nov 27 #96

I do not think the facts support your assertion Hekate Nov 27 #98

We lost because we pulled an Al Franken on the guy who beat Trump in 2020. ucrdem Nov 26 #61

Has an incumbent president ever won with a 39% approval rating in exit polls? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #63

Has a convicted felon ever been elected President before 2024? standingtall Nov 26 #72

Eggzactly. ucrdem Nov 26 #74

Has a twice-impeached ex-president insurrectionist with felony convictions ever won? ucrdem Nov 26 #73

I was depressed for weeks... Kamala did the best she could under the circumstances. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 26 #80

She gave it her all, and did surprisingly well. ucrdem Nov 26 #86

Well said!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 26 #87

It was a most unusual election in many ways MichMan Nov 27 #101

His polls suggested Biden was on track to lose Minnesota and Virginia too. meadowlander Nov 26 #81

WaPo, July 17: 'The polls are inconclusive. Advantage Biden.' ucrdem Nov 26 #84

Biden's internal polls showed TSF winning 400 + Electoral College Votes DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #89

I don't believe these mythical internal polls people keep alluding standingtall Nov 26 #92

We lost because Fox News is on everywhere. Initech Nov 26 #69

"...70% of Americans felt we were on the wrong track." J_William_Ryan Nov 26 #76

so they think authoritarianism is a better track? Skittles Nov 26 #83

i was curious wht drumpf's approval numbers are....... Takket Nov 26 #90

Biden's Presidency did what it set out to do. It got us through a pandemic returning the country to stability/normalcy Freethinker65 Nov 27 #102

I hate that "wrong track" question. intheflow Nov 27 #104