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Ocelot II

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54. Bingo. He realized that Trump's DoJ and FBI would never leave Hunter alone.

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:33 PM

Dec 3

There was an op-ed in my morning paper, which I will not link to because it pissed me off so deeply, in which the author stated that Biden disregarded the Rule of Law (as to which concept, see my rant at https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219783695) by choosing his son over his country. WTF? How does pardoning Hunter hurt the country any more than Trump's pardons of all manner of miscreants, with more certainly to come? Like it or not, the Constitutional power of a president to pardon is absolute, and there have been many controversial pardons over the years (Clinton got a lot of blowback for pardoning Marc Rich, an act that seems almost comically inconsequential vs. Trump).

No president has ever pardoned an immediate family member before; but it's never even been an issue before, since no presidential family member has ever before faced ongoing punitive prosecution intended to harm the president himself. The country vs. the son is a false choice. There will be and already is political blowback, as was expected, but actual harm to the country? Any harm arising from inappropriate pardons has been done; that ship has sailed beyond the horizon. Did Joe weigh the very real, anticipated harm to his son against the illusory and largely imaginary harm to the country? Clearly he did, and he chose his son. Hunter wouldn't have been prosecuted as he was if Joe hadn't been president, and certainly Joe wasn't going to throw his son to the wolves so the wolves could have the pound of flesh they couldn't get from Joe himself. How could he have done anything other than what he did and live with himself? Fuck the blowback and fuck the self-righteous blowhards who suddenly believe in a rule of law they never cared about before.

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IMO Biden really did screw up in pardoning Hunter [View all] Orrex Dec 2 OP

It is not going to end and there is nothing President Biden can do to stop it. kelly1mm Dec 2 #1

they will just look like they are flogging a dead horse if they go down that idiotic path Blues Heron Dec 2 #4

If they cared about not looking like idiots they would do less than half of what RockRaven Dec 2 #9

look like idiots? rampartd Dec 3 #78

Contempt is mild Quanta Dec 2 #12

Tell that to Susan McDougal. Self Esteem Dec 3 #55

So what, Joe Biden didn't do anything wrong. Republicans said you can't impeach a president after he's out of of offic Walleye Dec 3 #26

1) you certainly can impeach a President after he is out of office. The 2nd President Trump kelly1mm Dec 3 #65

I would sit there and answer every single question "I don't recall. I was pretty messed up back then" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 3 #41

He did the right thing - any decent father would have done the same. walkingman Dec 2 #2

Yes, that's my point exactly. Orrex Dec 2 #7

Biden doesn't care what you or almost anyone else thinks. Does that not BootinUp Dec 2 #3

I'm sure he cares what I think as much as I care what you think. Orrex Dec 2 #6

Yes, yes, you want to have it both ways. Very magnanimous. nt BootinUp Dec 2 #8

I get that you didn't read my post before you replied Orrex Dec 2 #10

You have a decoder ring for that? BootinUp Dec 2 #11

Sure. Follow along with me. Orrex Dec 2 #13

Well, I definitely see it differently. nt BootinUp Dec 2 #14

This is your opportunity to explain your reasoning. 6 people have "misunderstood" you UniqueUserName Dec 3 #42

Hilarious. 5 people who won't say anything? BootinUp Dec 3 #43

I'm busy . BootinUp Dec 3 #44

I would encourage Orrex to restore the original BootinUp Dec 3 #47

The OP has not been edited. herding cats Dec 3 #67

Not true at all. Why do you think you know how the system actually works? I saw the mother fucker get changed. BootinUp Dec 3 #68

You have made an accusation at odds with material fact. I did not edit the OP. Orrex Dec 3 #70

The OP had the words "fucked up" in there. I don't care how much heavy bold face type you have readyu LOLLOLOL BootinUp Dec 3 #71

Ah yes. I apologize. I did indeed make that change. Orrex Dec 3 #73

No. There is enough information above for you to understand my complaint already. nt BootinUp Dec 3 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Dec 3 #72

Classy move, shitting on someone after they've apologized. Orrex Dec 3 #75

Ok, cool. herding cats Dec 3 #77

In fairness, they were correct about that. Orrex Dec 3 #79

It was the right thing to do. Straw Man Dec 2 #5

Don't worry, once the orange turd criminal pardons all the J6 traitors... brush Dec 2 #15

'Hey man, all the cool kids are doing it .....' nt kelly1mm Dec 3 #17

Watch the media praise Fuckface47 for "helping to heal the nation" when he pardons the traitors. Orrex Dec 3 #19

Noted, logged, ignored JHB Dec 2 #16

Tough room. Orrex Dec 3 #18

And YOU know that Sundance1220 Dec 3 #28

If we got rid of all the controversial subject lines... Orrex Dec 3 #63

Fox News is the worst thing that's happened to this country since the Civil War. Initech Dec 3 #20

Yes, it's absolute poison and highly addictive Orrex Dec 3 #21

I've said for years that Fox News is like a drug. Initech Dec 3 #58

Rupert's Rabies epidemic running wild IA8IT Dec 3 #51

EXACTLY!!!! EarthAbides Dec 3 #56

This is the perfect example why the corporate media is losing viewers. I have blocked CNN, MSNBC, and the other JohnSJ Dec 3 #22

The classic dilemma of "Damned if you do and damned if you don't. no_hypocrisy Dec 3 #23

I honestly don't think the pardon itself is the problem Sundance1220 Dec 3 #30

I will never understand for the life of me why someone who changes his mind is then called a liar. Made me check Solomon Dec 3 #32

You can cast doubt on my sincerity all you want Sundance1220 Dec 3 #33

The reality of the situation changed. A Harris administration wasn't going to pursue Hunter to the ends NoMoreRepugs Dec 3 #34

Understood Sundance1220 Dec 3 #35

Agree Sundance1220 Dec 3 #49

A majority of voters just told us they don't care about lying as long as their team wins. Fish700 Dec 3 #45

That doesn't mean I have to emulate them Sundance1220 Dec 3 #50

Who else could Biden pardon that will make GOP mad? LisaL Dec 3 #24

I think Democrats need to chill the fuck out and concentrate on the future. It's pretty much been agreed by retired Vinca Dec 3 #25

I thought this post made good points. jeffreyi Dec 3 #27

That's a very solid article. Orrex Dec 3 #69

At least he wasn't charging $1 million per pardon the way Jared was Walleye Dec 3 #29

We have a country to save. and this is a distraction delisen Dec 3 #31

If Republicans have a problem with it they should draft a Constitutional amendment to limit pardon powers Trekologer Dec 3 #36

Joe pardoned Hunter. He did it. Can we move on now to fighting the real villain? Clouds Passing Dec 3 #37

Couldn't agree more with you. Fuck them. (nt) Paladin Dec 3 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueCheeseAgain Dec 3 #39

I have not heard one person Democrat or Republican even mention President Biden doc03 Dec 3 #40

Michigan Sen Gary Peters and Colorado Gov Pollis Ninga Dec 3 #52

It's so ridiculous mvd Dec 3 #46

He sent a strong message by waiting LeftInTX Dec 3 #48

Bingo. He realized that Trump's DoJ and FBI would never leave Hunter alone. Ocelot II Dec 3 #54

Normalizing it all EarthAbides Dec 3 #59

I expect they'll try to ruin Hunter with civil lawsuits if they can't prosecute him criminally. Ocelot II Dec 3 #60

Neil Bush dpibel Dec 3 #81

Actually, Bush the Elder did not pardon Neil. Pierce got that wrong. Ocelot II Dec 3 #82

Well, damn dpibel Dec 3 #83

But the GQP was so set on tormenting Hunter for the next 4 yrs. GreenWave Dec 3 #53

I would be upset obnoxiousdrunk Dec 3 #57

You left out the fourth "Fuck them", the most important one ... marble falls Dec 3 #61

Ah, the classics! Orrex Dec 3 #64

He did the right thing. I would think Joe meant it when he said he would not pardon Hunter, thinking that Kamala LoisB Dec 3 #62

under-rated point cadoman Dec 3 #80

I will miss them too. I think the entire country will soon realize what a huge mistake was made in this election. LoisB Dec 4 #86

Half the country already knows it was a catastrophic mistake Orrex Dec 4 #87

I think he should have done it in late July or August, then have Harris publicly disagree with him Polybius Dec 3 #66

He's still a father who already lost one son surfered Dec 3 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 3 #84

There's a community article written today B.See Dec 4 #85