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Quiet Em

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60. I'm not comfortable playing armchair juror

Fri Dec 6, 2024, 09:31 PM

Dec 6

I didn't sit on that bench and hear and watch all the testimony and evidence. I have respect for our jury system.

I can just say that I believe Penny's actions were excessive and a man died. I believe there should be a penalty for that.

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Subway chokehold guy got charges dismissed. [View all] mobeau69 Dec 6 OP

When the jury asked for the definition of "a reasonable person," the defense knew it couldn't lose. PeaceWave Dec 6 #1

Yep, think so. mobeau69 Dec 6 #2

They may as well have asked for a definition of "the law." PeaceWave Dec 6 #3

I was wondering why the charges in the first place.. Deuxcents Dec 6 #4

Hmmm...I think there is room for differing opinions on the appropriateness of this man's intervention. Drum Dec 6 #8

So far, I understand that Neely was still alive (if barely) when released, and Penny left. yagotme Dec 9 #75

Odd isn't it that someone saving all of the passengers with such a maneuver wouldn't follow through Drum Dec 9 #77

He was advised to place Neely on his left side, to help avoid vomit from entering Neely's lungs, yagotme Dec 9 #79

Thank you for filling me in. Drum Dec 9 #80

Here's Wiki's version: yagotme Dec 9 #82

Protect them from what? Quiet Em Dec 6 #26

People who ride the train daily know you just can't choke to death every person who acts out on the train. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 6 #28

My fear as well. I bet we see a decrease in help. jimfields33 Dec 9 #76

Dismissed or hung jury? Tommy Carcetti Dec 6 #5

Dismissed. Jury now considering lesser included charges. mobeau69 Dec 6 #9

Thanks. nt Tommy Carcetti Dec 6 #14

No New York City jury was ever going to convict this guy Prairie Gates Dec 6 #6

This New Yorker would have voted to convict! markpkessinger Dec 6 #7

A jury takes 12 Prairie Gates Dec 6 #10

I've served on a Manhattan criminal jury, and have lived here for over 40 years . . . markpkessinger Dec 6 #13

I seem to recall a certain guy who got convicted by a Manhattan jury Tommy Carcetti Dec 6 #15

Yes, Manhattan juries convict Prairie Gates Dec 6 #20

I definitely think he's criminally responsible to some degree. Tommy Carcetti Dec 6 #23

A jury takes 12 though Prairie Gates Dec 6 #11

Agreed. Drum Dec 6 #12

six minute chokehold Skittles Dec 6 #17

So do ForgedCrank Dec 6 #18

So he deserved summary execution, then? Blue_Tires Dec 6 #22

There was ForgedCrank Dec 6 #31

six minutes is not accidental Quiet Em Dec 6 #34

Of course ForgedCrank Dec 6 #36

He did more than restrain him. Quiet Em Dec 6 #38

Well I ForgedCrank Dec 6 #39

No woman was assaulted on the train that day. Quiet Em Dec 6 #40

"No woman was assaulted on the train that day." ForgedCrank Dec 6 #42

Your don't seem to understand this at all. Quiet Em Dec 6 #45

Ok ForgedCrank Dec 6 #47

What the fuck do you think happens when you suffocate someone for 6 minutes? Blue_Tires Dec 7 #73

If he had ACTUALLY been "suffocating" him for 6 minutes, Neely would have been dead as a doornail yagotme Dec 9 #78

Well since Donnie is a threat to all of us Blue_Tires Dec 7 #71

He had no weapon and he didn't touch anyone. Quiet Em Dec 6 #24

You left out ForgedCrank Dec 6 #35

That's not how the legal systems works. Quiet Em Dec 6 #37

Ok, Ok, I get it. ForgedCrank Dec 6 #41

" The man has a history of violence including felony assault on women, on subways." markpkessinger Dec 9 #74

I'm the ForgedCrank Dec 9 #86

I might have, and yes, I'm an NYCr. electric_blue68 Dec 6 #56

Agree 100% Polybius Dec 6 #67

Ugh Prairie Gates Dec 7 #70

Disgusting Rebl2 Dec 6 #16

Manslaughter charge against Daniel Penny dismissed, jury to continue deliberating lesser charge Monday TheProle Dec 6 #19

Even if he was convicted, TFG would just pardon him Blue_Tires Dec 6 #21

Yeah, some ahole Republican in the House Quiet Em Dec 6 #25

Not a federal charge n/t Shrek Dec 6 #27

Or Not ProfessorGAC Dec 6 #29

How would he do that as he is not the Governor of NY? You do know this is a state crime, right? The President kelly1mm Dec 6 #33

Everything being the same except reverse the races of the individuals involved ThePartyThatListens Dec 6 #30

Exactly. White, male priviledge. The elephant in the room everyone on this thread is ignoring. brush Dec 9 #83

Good. This entire prosecution was serious overreach/overcharging. nt kelly1mm Dec 6 #32

You know what else was an overreach? Reaching around the victim's neck and strangling when the victim touched no one Hassin Bin Sober Dec 6 #43

Exactly! Drum Dec 6 #44

Physical contact is not an element of the defense of 'defense of others'. The perpetrator in this kelly1mm Dec 6 #48

Penny was on trial. Not Neely. Quiet Em Dec 6 #49

Causing the death of another (if true) is not always a crime. Like in this case. nt kelly1mm Dec 6 #50

Neely was not the perpetrator as you said. Quiet Em Dec 6 #51

Yes he was. He was threatening people to the extent that a reasonable person could determine that a defense of others kelly1mm Dec 6 #52

a six minute chokehold is not reasonable Quiet Em Dec 6 #53

Even in NYC the jury seems to be questioning if it was. nt kelly1mm Dec 6 #54

The jury was deadlocked Quiet Em Dec 6 #55

The result was that the top count was dismissed, no? Are you actually suggesting that guilty verdicts kelly1mm Dec 6 #57

Yes. But Penny was not found not guilty. Quiet Em Dec 6 #58

Agreed. Still the top count was dismissed (I argue as it should be) no? nt kelly1mm Dec 6 #59

I'm not comfortable playing armchair juror Quiet Em Dec 6 #60

I can just say that I believe Penny's actions were a reasonable defense of others. I believe there should not be a kelly1mm Dec 6 #61

Except nobody was harmed except Neely. Quiet Em Dec 6 #62

Again, physical contact and/or harm is NOT an element in a defense of others defense. nt kelly1mm Dec 6 #63

Penny's actions and use of force did not meet reasonable self defense standards Quiet Em Dec 6 #64

It seems that a NYC jury disagrees with you beyond a reasonable doubt. By the way, the kelly1mm Dec 6 #65

Again, the jury was deadlocked. Quiet Em Dec 6 #66

I think it's easy to see here how OJ got away with the murders SunImp Dec 6 #68

OJ's jury reached a verdict, Penny's jury is deadlocked. Quiet Em Dec 6 #69

He was found not guilty on Monday. By the entire jury. kelly1mm Dec 9 #81

Yup. Quiet Em Dec 9 #85

Interesting how so many cases of vigilantism against Blue_Tires Dec 7 #72

White guy kills a black guy Bettie Dec 6 #46

What was the size differential? GreenWave Dec 9 #84