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DenaliDemocrat

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14. So you're not allowed to respond if threatened?

Mon Dec 9, 2024, 01:51 PM

Dec 9

The man was threatening everyone. I feel bad because mentally ill people do not get the care they desperately need. I reject the premise that threatening someone does not allow reprisals.

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Daniel Penny beams, crowd breaks out in applause as Marine vet is acquitted in subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely [View all] 4th Dec 9 OP

May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Dec 9 #1

Perhaps some already have... nt yagotme Dec 9 #2

Who do you think that is? nt Phoenix61 Dec 9 #3

Perhaps it's a vague reply to a vague reply... nt yagotme Dec 9 #4

Nothing vague about it. Most people have no difficulty understanding it. niyad Dec 9 #5

You were not specific about all those involved. Therefore, vague. yagotme Dec 9 #7

Do keep trying. This is most amusing. niyad Dec 9 #9

I'm glad that I could entertain you in this manner. yagotme Dec 9 #10

Come on, people. Have some lost their fucking minds? brush Dec 9 #6

At least one of the individuals that assisted Penny in the videos I have seen yagotme Dec 9 #8

As I said, Penny caused the death of an unarmed person who had touched no one. brush Dec 9 #11

You and I will have to disagree, then. yagotme Dec 9 #12

Ridiculous. A right of self-defense does not include choking someone who has not touched you and is unarmed... brush Dec 9 #13

Your statement was an absolute... yagotme Dec 9 #16

I don't think you've lived in NYC. If did you'd know the rules upon encountring a crazy person on the subway. brush Dec 9 #23

I like the Will Smith rule: yagotme Dec 9 #26

Ya just don't know do ya? Too many people are packin' nowadays. Best mind you business and/or move to the next car. brush Dec 9 #31

No, I'm not from NY. yagotme Dec 9 #32

Pls. common sense tells you not to choke someone for six minutes who hasn't touched you. brush Dec 9 #34

Got it. Just walk away as it's not your problem. MichMan Dec 11 #140

+1,000 BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #35

That is no justification for murder Cirsium Dec 11 #128

Read the whole thread. yagotme Dec 11 #142

So what? Cirsium Dec 11 #146

If you want to arrest, charge, prosecute, and mete out punishment to someone in NY, yagotme Dec 11 #150

irrelevant Cirsium Dec 11 #164

We're discussing an incident in NY. yagotme Dec 12 #169

Give it a rest. Read posts 127 and 131. You have no idea how racist some in NY are. brush Dec 11 #133

"Some" doesn't equal "all". yagotme Dec 11 #143

Stop defending racism. White male privileged Penny caused the death of a Black man... brush Dec 11 #145

There WERE charges. 2, total. He was found innocent by a jury of his peers. yagotme Dec 11 #148

Eyes open please. It's obvious racism. Wake up. brush Dec 11 #153

Again, I ask, show me where it is patently, obvious racism. yagotme Dec 11 #154

No matter what is shown, posted or referred to you, you come back with the same stuff. brush Dec 11 #155

You have NEVER come back with anything solid about this being racist, other than the color difference. yagotme Dec 11 #156

Be who you are. Watch this video. Hear how the cops treated Penn buddy-buddy. brush Dec 11 #157

I guess the POC witnesses were racist, too. yagotme Dec 11 #158

Be who you are. Did you vote for trump? brush Dec 11 #159

Should I even answer? yagotme Dec 11 #160

I noticed you didn't answer if you voted for trump. brush Dec 11 #161

I did, in a way, if you were paying attention. nt yagotme Dec 11 #162

I suspected as much, so hardcore defending obvious racism. brush Dec 11 #167

I suspected you suspected, thus, the answer I gave. yagotme Dec 12 #171

It is New York Keepthesoulalive Dec 10 #127

I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember "Guiliani Time" and the racist cop/... brush Dec 11 #131

Stop and frisk Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #134

Yep, all of that. And we could go on and on and on. brush Dec 11 #135

So you're not allowed to respond if threatened? DenaliDemocrat Dec 9 #14

Do ya understand plain English? Penny was not touched. The guy was unarmed. brush Dec 9 #18

He was charged SickOfTheOnePct Dec 9 #80

I heard. So it's open season on disoriented, unarmed people... brush Dec 9 #81

We'll have to agree to disagree SickOfTheOnePct Dec 9 #84

You're correct. Bit the dead guy's family feels great about i... brush Dec 10 #95

Why BeerBarrelPolka Dec 10 #97

Oh please. Blame others but not the guy who caused the death. brush Dec 10 #99

You're BeerBarrelPolka Dec 10 #102

And you're the one who blamed them instead of the guy who caused Neely's death. brush Dec 10 #103

Maybe BeerBarrelPolka Dec 10 #104

Since we know Nothing about what his family has, has not done don't go judging them... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #121

I understand verbal threats can result in actions DenaliDemocrat Dec 9 #85

The man is dead, for God's sake. Penny didn't have enough sense to know choking someone for... brush Dec 9 #86

Whatever DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #89

You would have shot him? Guess who's in the same boat you're in? brush Dec 10 #90

If you come screaming at my car DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #100

Your car was not able to move? brush Dec 10 #101

My state has No Duty to Retreat DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #105

It's might be just me but I'd rather move instead of blasting away at someone. brush Dec 10 #107

I can't move DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #109

I meant move in your car. brush Dec 10 #111

You have an excuse for everything DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #113

Sorry, we're not on the same wave length. I don't want complexities in life involving shooting someone. brush Dec 10 #114

Yeah - you don't HAVE to stand in harm's way DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #115

Dude, I'm not judging you. I just asked if you could move away by driving away. brush Dec 10 #116

Uh huh DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #117

What are you so angry and bitter about? I don't know you... brush Dec 10 #118

Why are you casting negative motives on this poster? IF you were in a car even if disabled could you move? Maybe you... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #124

Again DenaliDemocrat Dec 12 #168

Word to the wise, unwise really. Have enough sense to not choke someone for 6 minutes. brush Dec 10 #94

Thanks Cirsium Dec 11 #129

Thank you. I have to push back. The guy getting applauded and getting off Scott free is just too much. brush Dec 11 #132

I appreciate what you are doing Cirsium Dec 11 #149

Thank you. Glad there are some who know injustice when it stares them in the face. brush Dec 11 #152

"Touched" is not the standard FBaggins Dec 10 #92

Have enough sense to not choke someone for 6 minutes. brush Dec 10 #93

Sounds like reasonable advice FBaggins Dec 10 #96

Not being guilty of a crime? He caused the death of another human being. brush Dec 10 #98

See post 23. There are subway rules NYers know. brush Dec 9 #27

So, violation of unwritten subway rules by non-NY'ers should lead to imprisonment. yagotme Dec 9 #33

You're not making sense. If you kill someone who has not touched you... brush Dec 9 #36

You're missing the point. yagotme Dec 9 #40

Ok, Ms/Mr/Miss/Mrs police officer, show me that law in the books where that's Ok. brush Dec 9 #42

Here ya go, Art 35 NY Penal Law. yagotme Dec 9 #45

Nope,no one was touched. Guy was unarmed. brush Dec 9 #47

Here's the paragraph again, since it appears you didn't read it. yagotme Dec 9 #51

A-h-h-h-h-h sorry. Neely was not trying to commit larceny. brush Dec 9 #57

Is reading the bottom half of a paragraph the way you make opinions? yagotme Dec 9 #59

Be clear, what knocks my argument out of the water? brush Dec 9 #63

Or if the person you are detaining is threatening bodily harm to other individuals, that may not be yagotme Dec 9 #65

The case is over. Penny got away with killing him. brush Dec 9 #67

Yes, I'm aware you see racism everywhere. yagotme Dec 9 #68

Ok. Yelling you're hungry is threatening bodily harm now? brush Dec 9 #71

You must have missed the part about witnesses claiming that he was THREATENING them. yagotme Dec 9 #72

I'd like to know what was said besides yelling he was hungry? Do you that? brush Dec 9 #73

Here's some: (watch video) yagotme Dec 9 #74

It's like the prosecutor said, his intentions were good but he went too far. brush Dec 9 #75

So, do you agree now that my statements were correct? yagotme Dec 9 #76

I'm not switching anything. I've been very clear that there should be some form or... brush Dec 9 #77

Even if he's not found guilty of anything??? yagotme Dec 9 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Dec 9 #55

Yes BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #43

I disagree. NYers know to not engage with crazy passengers on the subway. brush Dec 9 #52

The jury acquitted him on the lessor charge; the case is over MichMan Dec 9 #56

That's foul. Open season on unarmed and disoriented and apparenty insane people. brush Dec 9 #60

Well, after posting a paragraph from the law, and posting it again, yagotme Dec 9 #53

Why do you think the faint pulse detected has any relevance? Quiet Em Dec 9 #44

Because, if the true intent had been to kill Neely, Penny was doing a horrible job. yagotme Dec 9 #46

Penny was successful in killing him. Quiet Em Dec 9 #49

Technically, he was alive when Penny walked away. yagotme Dec 9 #54

What? Quiet Em Dec 9 #61

Fact: 1st responders detected a faint pulse upon arrival, administered yagotme Dec 9 #62

I was questioning you calling the paramedics racist. Quiet Em Dec 9 #64

If "race absolutely played a role in his death", and he died in the care of the yagotme Dec 9 #66

Penny succeeded in killing him. Quiet Em Dec 9 #70

As a NCY'r who Has been in a Subway Car with some loud people w mental illness feeling very uncomfortable... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #123

Read post #45. NY law. yagotme Dec 11 #141

They already ForgedCrank Dec 9 #58

Sighhhh niyad Dec 9 #83

I knew, from the beginning, Sundance1220 Dec 9 #15

100% agree. comradebillyboy Dec 9 #19

Spot on BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #38

Totally agree BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #37

I HAVE been in that Situation; several times. Very Uncomfortable!!! B&b NYC'r... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #125

They overcharged Sundance1220 Dec 11 #139

Not surprised at this verdict or the reaction. Elessar Zappa Dec 9 #17

So murder is okay now? tenderfoot Dec 9 #20

It is very victim dependent nt sarisataka Dec 9 #21

If I ever see Kyle Rittenhouse I'll ask him. Emile Dec 9 #22

Who was charged with murder? Bonx Dec 9 #24

Found one of the cheerers tenderfoot Dec 9 #25

Found a person that doesn't understand our legal system Bonx Dec 9 #28

Am I raining on your celebration? tenderfoot Dec 9 #29

open season on the homeless DBoon Dec 9 #30

Thank you. Why are so few on this thread who don't seem to get that... brush Dec 9 #39

What we have always been Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #136

Yeah, it goes way back in NY. "Giuliani Time", trump and the Central Park Five. brush Dec 11 #137

What if SEVERAL someone's thought he was a threat? yagotme Dec 9 #41

yes, then it becomes a lynch mob DBoon Dec 9 #48

I think your definition of that term, and mine, are quite different. yagotme Dec 9 #50

I'm very afraid that's true. mountain grammy Dec 9 #87

Oh, dear. electric_blue68 Dec 10 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 9 #69

I won't weigh in on this, but I find it ironic how some had no problem rationalizing the killing of the UHC executive a JohnSJ Dec 9 #79

Bingo. Total double standard. PeaceWave Dec 9 #88

Exactly nt Raine Dec 11 #138

I didn't see a lot of people rationalizing the CEO's death. Elessar Zappa Dec 11 #163

six minute choke hold Skittles Dec 9 #82

The court of public opinion doesn't matter. He was acquitted by a jury... PeaceWave Dec 10 #91

The word hypocrite sure has become popular around here. Ilikepurple Dec 10 #122

Perspective from CNN Kilgore Dec 10 #106

Jordan Neely suffered with mental illness and went into deep despair when his mother Quiet Em Dec 10 #108

Misdirected anger Kilgore Dec 10 #112

Misdirected anger from who? Quiet Em Dec 10 #119

Exactly my point Kilgore Dec 10 #120

He is a murder victim Cirsium Dec 11 #130

Would your opinion be different if he was actually committing assault against a mother and her child? yagotme Dec 11 #144

No idea what is going on in your mind Cirsium Dec 11 #147

I'm asking if your opinion still stands, with different scenarios in play. yagotme Dec 11 #151

It is not clear Cirsium Dec 11 #165

Yes, I am giving out different scenarios. yagotme Dec 12 #170

Why are people surprised? Blue_Tires Dec 10 #110

Ahhhhhhhhhhh Cirsium Dec 11 #166

Are you aware that at least one of the people that helped restrain Neely was a POC? yagotme Dec 12 #172