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86. The man is dead, for God's sake. Penny didn't have enough sense to know choking someone for...

Mon Dec 9, 2024, 10:07 PM

Dec 9

six minutes is not good for a person's life. In fact if not for that choking the man could still be alive. He was unarmed, didn't attack anyone, kept yelling he was hungry...not a cause to be nearly choked to death. In fact, the man did die.

Wouldn't want to be that choker's wife or girlfriend as he might lose control again.

That seems to be a foreign concept to many here.

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Daniel Penny beams, crowd breaks out in applause as Marine vet is acquitted in subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely [View all] 4th Dec 9 OP

May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Dec 9 #1

Perhaps some already have... nt yagotme Dec 9 #2

Who do you think that is? nt Phoenix61 Dec 9 #3

Perhaps it's a vague reply to a vague reply... nt yagotme Dec 9 #4

Nothing vague about it. Most people have no difficulty understanding it. niyad Dec 9 #5

You were not specific about all those involved. Therefore, vague. yagotme Dec 9 #7

Do keep trying. This is most amusing. niyad Dec 9 #9

I'm glad that I could entertain you in this manner. yagotme Dec 9 #10

Come on, people. Have some lost their fucking minds? brush Dec 9 #6

At least one of the individuals that assisted Penny in the videos I have seen yagotme Dec 9 #8

As I said, Penny caused the death of an unarmed person who had touched no one. brush Dec 9 #11

You and I will have to disagree, then. yagotme Dec 9 #12

Ridiculous. A right of self-defense does not include choking someone who has not touched you and is unarmed... brush Dec 9 #13

Your statement was an absolute... yagotme Dec 9 #16

I don't think you've lived in NYC. If did you'd know the rules upon encountring a crazy person on the subway. brush Dec 9 #23

I like the Will Smith rule: yagotme Dec 9 #26

Ya just don't know do ya? Too many people are packin' nowadays. Best mind you business and/or move to the next car. brush Dec 9 #31

No, I'm not from NY. yagotme Dec 9 #32

Pls. common sense tells you not to choke someone for six minutes who hasn't touched you. brush Dec 9 #34

Got it. Just walk away as it's not your problem. MichMan Dec 11 #140

+1,000 BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #35

That is no justification for murder Cirsium Dec 11 #128

Read the whole thread. yagotme Dec 11 #142

So what? Cirsium Dec 11 #146

If you want to arrest, charge, prosecute, and mete out punishment to someone in NY, yagotme Dec 11 #150

irrelevant Cirsium Dec 11 #164

We're discussing an incident in NY. yagotme Dec 12 #169

Give it a rest. Read posts 127 and 131. You have no idea how racist some in NY are. brush Dec 11 #133

"Some" doesn't equal "all". yagotme Dec 11 #143

Stop defending racism. White male privileged Penny caused the death of a Black man... brush Dec 11 #145

There WERE charges. 2, total. He was found innocent by a jury of his peers. yagotme Dec 11 #148

Eyes open please. It's obvious racism. Wake up. brush Dec 11 #153

Again, I ask, show me where it is patently, obvious racism. yagotme Dec 11 #154

No matter what is shown, posted or referred to you, you come back with the same stuff. brush Dec 11 #155

You have NEVER come back with anything solid about this being racist, other than the color difference. yagotme Dec 11 #156

Be who you are. Watch this video. Hear how the cops treated Penn buddy-buddy. brush Dec 11 #157

I guess the POC witnesses were racist, too. yagotme Dec 11 #158

Be who you are. Did you vote for trump? brush Dec 11 #159

Should I even answer? yagotme Dec 11 #160

I noticed you didn't answer if you voted for trump. brush Dec 11 #161

I did, in a way, if you were paying attention. nt yagotme Dec 11 #162

I suspected as much, so hardcore defending obvious racism. brush Dec 11 #167

I suspected you suspected, thus, the answer I gave. yagotme Dec 12 #171

It is New York Keepthesoulalive Dec 10 #127

I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember "Guiliani Time" and the racist cop/... brush Dec 11 #131

Stop and frisk Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #134

Yep, all of that. And we could go on and on and on. brush Dec 11 #135

So you're not allowed to respond if threatened? DenaliDemocrat Dec 9 #14

Do ya understand plain English? Penny was not touched. The guy was unarmed. brush Dec 9 #18

He was charged SickOfTheOnePct Dec 9 #80

I heard. So it's open season on disoriented, unarmed people... brush Dec 9 #81

We'll have to agree to disagree SickOfTheOnePct Dec 9 #84

You're correct. Bit the dead guy's family feels great about i... brush Dec 10 #95

Why BeerBarrelPolka Dec 10 #97

Oh please. Blame others but not the guy who caused the death. brush Dec 10 #99

You're BeerBarrelPolka Dec 10 #102

And you're the one who blamed them instead of the guy who caused Neely's death. brush Dec 10 #103

Maybe BeerBarrelPolka Dec 10 #104

Since we know Nothing about what his family has, has not done don't go judging them... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #121

I understand verbal threats can result in actions DenaliDemocrat Dec 9 #85

The man is dead, for God's sake. Penny didn't have enough sense to know choking someone for... brush Dec 9 #86

Whatever DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #89

You would have shot him? Guess who's in the same boat you're in? brush Dec 10 #90

If you come screaming at my car DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #100

Your car was not able to move? brush Dec 10 #101

My state has No Duty to Retreat DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #105

It's might be just me but I'd rather move instead of blasting away at someone. brush Dec 10 #107

I can't move DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #109

I meant move in your car. brush Dec 10 #111

You have an excuse for everything DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #113

Sorry, we're not on the same wave length. I don't want complexities in life involving shooting someone. brush Dec 10 #114

Yeah - you don't HAVE to stand in harm's way DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #115

Dude, I'm not judging you. I just asked if you could move away by driving away. brush Dec 10 #116

Uh huh DenaliDemocrat Dec 10 #117

What are you so angry and bitter about? I don't know you... brush Dec 10 #118

Why are you casting negative motives on this poster? IF you were in a car even if disabled could you move? Maybe you... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #124

Again DenaliDemocrat Dec 12 #168

Word to the wise, unwise really. Have enough sense to not choke someone for 6 minutes. brush Dec 10 #94

Thanks Cirsium Dec 11 #129

Thank you. I have to push back. The guy getting applauded and getting off Scott free is just too much. brush Dec 11 #132

I appreciate what you are doing Cirsium Dec 11 #149

Thank you. Glad there are some who know injustice when it stares them in the face. brush Dec 11 #152

"Touched" is not the standard FBaggins Dec 10 #92

Have enough sense to not choke someone for 6 minutes. brush Dec 10 #93

Sounds like reasonable advice FBaggins Dec 10 #96

Not being guilty of a crime? He caused the death of another human being. brush Dec 10 #98

See post 23. There are subway rules NYers know. brush Dec 9 #27

So, violation of unwritten subway rules by non-NY'ers should lead to imprisonment. yagotme Dec 9 #33

You're not making sense. If you kill someone who has not touched you... brush Dec 9 #36

You're missing the point. yagotme Dec 9 #40

Ok, Ms/Mr/Miss/Mrs police officer, show me that law in the books where that's Ok. brush Dec 9 #42

Here ya go, Art 35 NY Penal Law. yagotme Dec 9 #45

Nope,no one was touched. Guy was unarmed. brush Dec 9 #47

Here's the paragraph again, since it appears you didn't read it. yagotme Dec 9 #51

A-h-h-h-h-h sorry. Neely was not trying to commit larceny. brush Dec 9 #57

Is reading the bottom half of a paragraph the way you make opinions? yagotme Dec 9 #59

Be clear, what knocks my argument out of the water? brush Dec 9 #63

Or if the person you are detaining is threatening bodily harm to other individuals, that may not be yagotme Dec 9 #65

The case is over. Penny got away with killing him. brush Dec 9 #67

Yes, I'm aware you see racism everywhere. yagotme Dec 9 #68

Ok. Yelling you're hungry is threatening bodily harm now? brush Dec 9 #71

You must have missed the part about witnesses claiming that he was THREATENING them. yagotme Dec 9 #72

I'd like to know what was said besides yelling he was hungry? Do you that? brush Dec 9 #73

Here's some: (watch video) yagotme Dec 9 #74

It's like the prosecutor said, his intentions were good but he went too far. brush Dec 9 #75

So, do you agree now that my statements were correct? yagotme Dec 9 #76

I'm not switching anything. I've been very clear that there should be some form or... brush Dec 9 #77

Even if he's not found guilty of anything??? yagotme Dec 9 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Dec 9 #55

Yes BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #43

I disagree. NYers know to not engage with crazy passengers on the subway. brush Dec 9 #52

The jury acquitted him on the lessor charge; the case is over MichMan Dec 9 #56

That's foul. Open season on unarmed and disoriented and apparenty insane people. brush Dec 9 #60

Well, after posting a paragraph from the law, and posting it again, yagotme Dec 9 #53

Why do you think the faint pulse detected has any relevance? Quiet Em Dec 9 #44

Because, if the true intent had been to kill Neely, Penny was doing a horrible job. yagotme Dec 9 #46

Penny was successful in killing him. Quiet Em Dec 9 #49

Technically, he was alive when Penny walked away. yagotme Dec 9 #54

What? Quiet Em Dec 9 #61

Fact: 1st responders detected a faint pulse upon arrival, administered yagotme Dec 9 #62

I was questioning you calling the paramedics racist. Quiet Em Dec 9 #64

If "race absolutely played a role in his death", and he died in the care of the yagotme Dec 9 #66

Penny succeeded in killing him. Quiet Em Dec 9 #70

As a NCY'r who Has been in a Subway Car with some loud people w mental illness feeling very uncomfortable... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #123

Read post #45. NY law. yagotme Dec 11 #141

They already ForgedCrank Dec 9 #58

Sighhhh niyad Dec 9 #83

I knew, from the beginning, Sundance1220 Dec 9 #15

100% agree. comradebillyboy Dec 9 #19

Spot on BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #38

Totally agree BeerBarrelPolka Dec 9 #37

I HAVE been in that Situation; several times. Very Uncomfortable!!! B&b NYC'r... electric_blue68 Dec 10 #125

They overcharged Sundance1220 Dec 11 #139

Not surprised at this verdict or the reaction. Elessar Zappa Dec 9 #17

So murder is okay now? tenderfoot Dec 9 #20

It is very victim dependent nt sarisataka Dec 9 #21

If I ever see Kyle Rittenhouse I'll ask him. Emile Dec 9 #22

Who was charged with murder? Bonx Dec 9 #24

Found one of the cheerers tenderfoot Dec 9 #25

Found a person that doesn't understand our legal system Bonx Dec 9 #28

Am I raining on your celebration? tenderfoot Dec 9 #29

open season on the homeless DBoon Dec 9 #30

Thank you. Why are so few on this thread who don't seem to get that... brush Dec 9 #39

What we have always been Keepthesoulalive Dec 11 #136

Yeah, it goes way back in NY. "Giuliani Time", trump and the Central Park Five. brush Dec 11 #137

What if SEVERAL someone's thought he was a threat? yagotme Dec 9 #41

yes, then it becomes a lynch mob DBoon Dec 9 #48

I think your definition of that term, and mine, are quite different. yagotme Dec 9 #50

I'm very afraid that's true. mountain grammy Dec 9 #87

Oh, dear. electric_blue68 Dec 10 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 9 #69

I won't weigh in on this, but I find it ironic how some had no problem rationalizing the killing of the UHC executive a JohnSJ Dec 9 #79

Bingo. Total double standard. PeaceWave Dec 9 #88

Exactly nt Raine Dec 11 #138

I didn't see a lot of people rationalizing the CEO's death. Elessar Zappa Dec 11 #163

six minute choke hold Skittles Dec 9 #82

The court of public opinion doesn't matter. He was acquitted by a jury... PeaceWave Dec 10 #91

The word hypocrite sure has become popular around here. Ilikepurple Dec 10 #122

Perspective from CNN Kilgore Dec 10 #106

Jordan Neely suffered with mental illness and went into deep despair when his mother Quiet Em Dec 10 #108

Misdirected anger Kilgore Dec 10 #112

Misdirected anger from who? Quiet Em Dec 10 #119

Exactly my point Kilgore Dec 10 #120

He is a murder victim Cirsium Dec 11 #130

Would your opinion be different if he was actually committing assault against a mother and her child? yagotme Dec 11 #144

No idea what is going on in your mind Cirsium Dec 11 #147

I'm asking if your opinion still stands, with different scenarios in play. yagotme Dec 11 #151

It is not clear Cirsium Dec 11 #165

Yes, I am giving out different scenarios. yagotme Dec 12 #170

Why are people surprised? Blue_Tires Dec 10 #110

Ahhhhhhhhhhh Cirsium Dec 11 #166

Are you aware that at least one of the people that helped restrain Neely was a POC? yagotme Dec 12 #172