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W_HAMILTON

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73. Not in all of our heads, no. But in many of THEIR heads, yes.

Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:36 PM

Dec 11

I take it you have not seen the complete 180 in polls on what Republicans think about the economy now?

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By the numbers: Heading into the election, Republican consumer sentiment, as measured by the index, was at about 83 overall— any number under 100 indicates negativity. Now, a week post-Trump victory, it's at 107.5.

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Overall sentiment (with everyone included) is higher, and is into positive territory for the first time since June 2021...

Taken from: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/13/consumer-sentiment-republican-democrat-switch

So, it sounds like Republicans were wrong both in your example from 2008 AND now -- gee, who would have thunk it?

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Exit polls reveal why Trump made huge gains with blue-collar union members [View all] SunSeeker Dec 11 OP

Revisit these voters in the coming years and let me know if they realize what they've done to themselves. NoMoreRepugs Dec 11 #1

And that 50% are the Trump voters... Septua Dec 11 #5

As long as there's a scapegoat or boogeyman to explain away the obvious Probatim Dec 11 #37

They are exactly in that shape Blue Full Moon Dec 11 #41

Good luck getting a law passed that only allows the "educated" people to vote DSandra Dec 11 #60

Forty years ago, or maybe even 20, it was allegedly "the Democrats" who were the "low-information voters", Jack Valentino Dec 11 #80

Agreed yardwork Dec 12 #91

..the No. 1 issue on the mind of working-class people...was inflation and the cost of living... Septua Dec 11 #2

That and the fact that markodochartaigh Dec 11 #26

THIS is the elephant (symbol) in the room. The media throws shade on the democrats EVERY TIME. BComplex Dec 11 #68

It was the sexism. Don't ever believe otherwise. valleyrogue Dec 11 #29

So 3 options going forward: kelly1mm Dec 11 #45

Or find a way to appeal to them without acquiescing to their grievances EdmondDantes_ Dec 11 #63

Price freezes Blue Full Moon Dec 11 #42

The price gouging laws address significant price increases in areas with hurricanes or extended power outages etc. MichMan Dec 11 #55

Pandemic would fit right in then. Blue Full Moon Dec 11 #70

Not sure how many were ever prosecuted on a state or local level MichMan Dec 11 #71

It is about messaging: when and HOW messages are delivered Bluetus Dec 11 #43

I need DUers to please STOP this endless bullshit about "messaging" Blue_Tires Dec 11 #75

This election proves beyond any doubt that Bluetus Dec 11 #79

So loud, angry buffoonery that's confident will always win out against quiet, drama-free competence? Blue_Tires Dec 11 #81

I didn't vote for the guy Bluetus Dec 12 #86

We must be talking about two different elections... Blue_Tires Dec 12 #88

Trump was very specific. Bluetus Dec 12 #89

The Project 2025 that Donnie spent the entire campaign distancing himself from? Blue_Tires Dec 12 #90

Yes, exactly. That's the point. Bluetus Dec 12 #95

So in other words just tell people what they want to hear Blue_Tires Dec 12 #97

Oh, and welcome to DU... Blue_Tires Dec 11 #82

Why didn't Biden trumpet his achievements in terms of building factories in red areas? DSandra Dec 11 #61

Umm, if you have access to many experts and some of the best and brightest minds... DSandra Dec 11 #62

Apparently, they don't plan on retiring C_U_L8R Dec 11 #3

Union workers voting Republican Thrill Dec 11 #4

Shooting themselves in the foot to entertain their employer. Emile Dec 11 #10

I worked in union shops for over 40 years. I would say about 1/3 of the members doc03 Dec 11 #15

Your description of union workers voting Republican was exactly what I saw. walkingman Dec 11 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 11 #52

It's all rationalizations for racism and sexism JT45242 Dec 11 #6

Roll with that as the only reason we lost and we will keep on losing. Celerity Dec 11 #25

Yes can someone find the racial MotownPgh Dec 11 #30

62.6% of union members are white. SunSeeker Dec 12 #101

Thanks for this! MotownPgh Dec 12 #103

Sounds like a cop out DSandra Dec 11 #64

Democrats should have been calling the inflation the Trump inflation from doc03 Dec 11 #7

And BeerBarrelPolka Dec 11 #9

I will never understand why they think Trump will help the economy. Iris Dec 11 #8

Because the media has built Trump to be a great real estate doc03 Dec 11 #13

Why does it have to be Ds fault Cosmocat Dec 11 #11

Because stupid people need to blame someone for their self-created problems. canuckledragger Dec 11 #14

Because Republican con artists exploit any weakness that Dems have DSandra Dec 11 #59

Finally, someone said it! Sorceress Dec 11 #65

Kind of hard to get a new electorate though. And 'the voters are stupid' is probably not a winning slogan. nt kelly1mm Dec 12 #102

Kamala was a black woman so her speaking on the issues JI7 Dec 11 #12

There's not one reason but that was part of it. Passages Dec 11 #16

I guess the way they saw it, one candidate promised to miraculously bring down prices, the other one didn't. SunSeeker Dec 11 #21

I would not mistake too much of the culprit to those who watch Fox. Passages Dec 11 #51

And Biden did a lot on minimum wage bucolic_frolic Dec 11 #17

No. They cared only that a white, racist, valleyrogue Dec 11 #27

What did President Biden do on the minimum wage? Still the same $7.25 per hour federal kelly1mm Dec 11 #49

Did he? George W Bush was the last President to sign a minimum wage increase Jose Garcia Dec 12 #92

Trump didn't make any appeal to those voters except his racism bigtree Dec 11 #18

Excellent post! nt LittleGirl Dec 11 #19

You know, I bet during their "discussions" Aviation Pro Dec 11 #20

I was thinking the same thoughts. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 11 #56

Short. They loved the lies. usonian Dec 11 #22

We need a media DownriverDem Dec 11 #23

Baloney. valleyrogue Dec 11 #24

Yep Deminpenn Dec 11 #35

It was rigged. Meadowoak Dec 11 #28

They did the same thing against Carter when running against reagan, and one would have thought they learned there lesson JohnSJ Dec 11 #31

Real Wage Index came from below hell to slightly above it and they blamed Biden uponit7771 Dec 11 #32

Enjoy the next 4 years, traitorous trump-voting union members. Paladin Dec 11 #33

Look, we democrats need Abstractartist Dec 11 #34

The economy IS setting records. Inflation, also, is NEVER ZERO. CousinIT Dec 11 #36

Agreed. SunSeeker Dec 12 #98

So much more utter BS. It was white supremacy. ananda Dec 11 #38

There might be a time get the red out Dec 11 #39

Only a small fraction of the blue collar class is unionized MichMan Dec 11 #40

With respect to inflation, they haven't seen anything yet. NNadir Dec 11 #44

Her race+her sex+his lies equals Mad King Donald's victory Dem4life1970 Dec 11 #46

And a lot of Musk and Putin energy and money displacedvermoter Dec 11 #53

As always, their vote was in diametric opposition to their interests. dchill Dec 11 #47

Why didn't this powerful union member mention that Biden and Harris travelingthrulife Dec 11 #48

Eggs cost too much Americanme Dec 11 #50

Our society forces many Americans to work, work, work... DSandra Dec 11 #58

The truth is Beck23 Dec 11 #54

People tend to be blind to the lives of people outside their economic class, many don't realize how hard others have it DSandra Dec 11 #57

I don't know who Empower or PRNewswire is, but the The Fed has been keeping track of this information: W_HAMILTON Dec 11 #69

So you think the economic suffering is "all in our heads?" DSandra Dec 11 #72

Not in all of our heads, no. But in many of THEIR heads, yes. W_HAMILTON Dec 11 #73

That data is really interesting Johnny2X2X Dec 12 #85

The truth is that propaganda is extremely powerful Johnny2X2X Dec 11 #66

Couldn't agree more n/t dpibel Dec 11 #77

I hope a lesson learned is that ThePartyThatListens Dec 11 #67

The word Ted Pappageorge is looking for is "RACISM" Blue_Tires Dec 11 #74

I agree with both of your posts. underpants Dec 12 #84

If inflation/cost of living was the key issue, why did vote for the candidate most likely to cause more inflation? LonePirate Dec 11 #76

OKAY, EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE I'M FIVE.... Blue_Tires Dec 11 #78

Gmafb. At the end of the day, they were stupid. ecstatic Dec 12 #87

They are going to just love and embrace what is coming. republianmushroom Dec 12 #93

The alpha male dude bro sphere was a huge influence. Initech Dec 12 #94

When it comes to grocery prices, Trump suddenly changes his tune LetMyPeopleVote Dec 12 #96

This has been my personal talking point for the last year... WarGamer Dec 12 #99

Wow, if you really believe that, GOP propaganda has been even more effective than I thought. SunSeeker Dec 12 #100