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malthaussen

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67. Frankly, I think that is exactly the wrong approach.

Tue Dec 24, 2024, 05:55 PM

Dec 24

All Jeopardy is concerned with is simple facts ("trivia" if you will), and in the US we are inundated with fact-based literature, using a very broad definition of "fact" because much of it is disinformation or downright lies. What is needed is training and practice in the art of intellectual analysis, and that is much harder to produce, not least because there are few qualified teachers. But it is also a discipline that does not lend itself to the kind of "objective" testing that was in vogue at least when I was in public school (don't know what the situation is now, as I haven't seen the inside of a public school for fifty years).

We don't need to know more facts, but we sorely need to understand how to tell what is a fact, and what facts are significant.

-- Mal

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That's all true. bucolic_frolic Dec 24 #2

If people have not read it, I can strongly suggest reading "A Fever In The Heartland" by Timothy Egan GeoWilliam750 Dec 24 #66

I recommend Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the U.S." Martin68 Dec 25 #88

Also an excellent read. GeoWilliam750 Dec 26 #98

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Information overload The Wizard Dec 24 #7

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People need to watch jeopardy MacKasey Dec 24 #10

True, but Jeopardy has changed. LisaM Dec 24 #15

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It depends on the categories. LisaM Dec 24 #64

Alot more pop culture QA as well. nt Ilsa Dec 24 #77

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I lived 2 blocks from school MacKasey Dec 24 #46

I lived about 4 blocks from my original elementary school BumRushDaShow Dec 24 #53

I had the exact experience as a kid, La Coliniere Dec 24 #65

Frankly, I think that is exactly the wrong approach. malthaussen Dec 24 #67

I can appreciate your disagreement MacKasey Dec 24 #70

An interesting observation, and of course it leads to Santayana's famous remark, Ocelot II Dec 24 #11

I frequently get posts from a group called "Old Time Baseball" in my fb feed. malthaussen Dec 24 #68

This is why history isn't linear, but moves in cycles Blaukraut Dec 24 #72

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Historians are fully aware of what you both say. Which is why they become historians in the first place, and why ancianita Dec 24 #21

bookmarking to read later. Thank you. I rec'd it already and want to chew on a bit - and provide a respose. NewHendoLib Dec 24 #13

Yep. Another way to put it is "here and now" -- that's all Americans care about, the current KPN Dec 24 #14

We also often forget when our stars are no longer with us. keep_left Dec 24 #16

Outstanding. Mike 03 Dec 24 #17

I always refer to a sense of history. murielm99 Dec 24 #18

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Sigh...sadly, all true. pandr32 Dec 24 #20

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That's actually pretty cool... PCIntern Dec 24 #29

The band we opened for that sucked the most Mblaze Dec 24 #40

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And he was right Figarosmom Dec 25 #85

Excellent. I would also add that somewhere along the line, "History is boring" became a LoisB Dec 24 #50

History was made boring by becoming an endless recitation of facts. malthaussen Dec 24 #69

A salient point about the band The Grass Roots EYESORE 9001 Dec 24 #52

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You better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone. Yes, our memories, like our attention spans, have shrunk down Martin68 Dec 25 #87

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