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In reply to the discussion: Take your money our of the stock market [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(53,079 posts)61. "last crash"? Are you referring to the crash in 1999, 2008, 2021 or the more recent piddly 2% day crashes?
Getting out at the top of 1999 or 2008 would have been smart. 2021 was harsh, but clearly the full amount recovered pretty quickly (a year or two) and in larger view looks more like a blip. That would have been a good one to stay in for, in hindsight, if that is what you are talking about.
Timing the market is very difficult, but can be arranged in stages and with gradualism if one does not expect 100% accuracy. If an investor can gain even only 60 % of a bull and avoid 60% of a bear, they are doing well and will do much better than buy-and-hold or even dollar cost averaging. One can end up in the 60% by getting out early, before the final top or after a top, and buying back in too early or too late.
One way of gradualism, especially for chart readers, is if you have a discipline with trailing stops and also with pullback stops set after new buys. If you have a set of stocks and they are rising and you keep raising trailing stops, then as the market tops and turns over, one by one your stocks will get stopped out and you will have timed the market. Similarly, if you are tracking interesting stocks and they are forming bases after a bear, you can see a breakout here or there and start nibbling in. Some buys will get stopped out because it was too early. As you find more and more breakouts, you find yourself more and more invested as a bull market gets underway.
S&P 500. Notice the log price scales on the lefts. Very important must-have feature when using charts.


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No. I'll keep investing and adding to our portfolio. We'll buy even more when stocks are low *
Oopsie Daisy
Feb 4
#4
"last crash"? Are you referring to the crash in 1999, 2008, 2021 or the more recent piddly 2% day crashes?
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 5
#61
Thanks, great charts and especially the commentary about not getting it right 100%, need to combat the fear and greed ..
cliffside
Feb 6
#69
Stock market cycles natural bc investors are emotional. Market too big for manipulation; individual stocks another story
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 5
#56
"still at an all time high". Bear markets don't start at all time lows.
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 5
#60
Points don't impress savvy investors. That's only 6 percent. And citing it is bogus on two counts
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 7
#93
Sorry, I pay a financial guy to take care of my investments. He's doing fine amid the chaos.
sinkingfeeling
Feb 5
#28
Making huge monetary choices based on "politics of the day" is never a good idea...
berkerly6240
Feb 5
#29
Look at post # 61 of mine. Buying this late in the bull market is like buying 1999
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 7
#95
Impending dip in the STOCK market and/or economy. Which is why YOU are moving out of stocks and into bonds.
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 7
#92
"... the end of the world will come about because people want to keep their jobs."
TheProle
Feb 5
#45
I don't like to give timing advice, but I do say what I have done or am doing & my reasoning. That is not advice. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 5
#67
Thinking about taking my money out of the bank. I think we all should flood our banks with calls with our concerns
yaesu
Feb 5
#52
And mess with the banks. If you can, try using your credit cards less, pay with cash. Screw the banks out of their fees.
Hotler
Feb 5
#57
If you truly think that stocks will soon plummet, then put your money where your mouth is and short the market. NT
Celerity
Feb 6
#73
False dichotomy. That is a binary approach; very limited compared to a nuanced approach
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 6
#77
Talk about false projection, I implied none of what you said. I never said ALL their money, and they (the OP) posited
Celerity
Feb 6
#78
Your post was exceedingly terse. It's confrontational tone ("put your money where your mouth is") implied plenty
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 6
#79
Great Depression greatly worsened by Smoot-Hawley tariffs was a world-wide depression. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 7
#108