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nadinbrzezinski

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94. Very insightful by the way

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Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:53 PM

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An attempted mind fuck ( otherwise known as psyops) [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP

There's a reason why I have a shitload of hidden posts as of late... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #1

Me too nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #2

"hero worship" dogknob Jun 2013 #15

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #16

Busy in other ways... dogknob Jun 2013 #28

And me too. calikid Jun 2013 #61

I was here. I remember it being almost entirely a matter of the content of the leak. Plame herself patrice Jun 2013 #3

But something very similar is happening now nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5

Sorry, guess I'm not following closely enough. I'm in the middle of a bunch of stuff & patrice Jun 2013 #10

The other thing that is left are the insults... Whisp Jun 2013 #4

He doesn't matter. What has been revealed is shocking and that will remain the focus of those sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #21

A statement posited as fact sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #130

DU is a big place. One sees what one chooses to focus on. It's pretty authoritarian to generalize patrice Jun 2013 #6

"People CAN have authentically valid reasons of their differences" napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #9

"traitor" can be a relatively technical reference to what he did, like an "F" on a test, it doesn't patrice Jun 2013 #19

You underestimate the cynicism of long term DUers! napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #37

And, of course, the same could be true of Snowden opposition. They could pose here as Snowden patrice Jun 2013 #35

What you are describing is the job of the shill. zeemike Jun 2013 #60

Three card monty tavalon Jun 2013 #109

This has nothing to do with me nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #11

I should have broadened that reference to the rhetorical you. I will do so. nt patrice Jun 2013 #22

I am in total agreement with you regarding distraction siligut Jun 2013 #27

Perhaps... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #31

Yes, you can avoid irritation, but you may also miss some solid thought siligut Jun 2013 #51

Yeah, but over the last few years I have learned that's the best course nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #52

You know what is best for you siligut Jun 2013 #58

Maybe we should start screaming about what a bastard Snowden was for outing Plame. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #7

the only difference is that Snowden is libertarian MindPilot Jun 2013 #12

I would never expect DU to support a member of LP, but choosing Cheney instead? napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #18

All different kinds of people can have a conscience and still be wrong about something & it can patrice Jun 2013 #25

What you said scares the shit out of me. zeemike Jun 2013 #68

It was sarcasm, read it again siligut Jun 2013 #74

Oh shit now I see. zeemike Jun 2013 #85

I don't think that libertarians and liberals are always mutually exclusive. Th1onein Jun 2013 #101

"..it's not about the person, but what was revealed...pay attention to what was leaked." Dragonfli Jun 2013 #8

Yup...they must fear it can still be stopped nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #13

Excellent post dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #29

Excellent post marions ghost Jun 2013 #63

We have a real good idea of the data that will be collected siligut Jun 2013 #83

We have taken the first step nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #87

One of the reasons I want to keep good people on board siligut Jun 2013 #97

"Any ideas on how to stop it?" No, would that i did. I know how to slow it down however. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #95

Some major Silicon Valley companies might help too siligut Jun 2013 #100

They might help, but being corporations they are by definition amoral Dragonfli Jun 2013 #108

At the risk of seeming Machiavellian, that needn't be a disadvantage. sibelian Jun 2013 #115

The problem is that Corps. are Machiavellian, their efforts will always be to give themselves Dragonfli Jun 2013 #129

Social networks. reusrename Jun 2013 #107

Important Point...it works to undermind average citizens ability to organize KoKo Jun 2013 #118

better organized than 'we' are. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #131

"Private Firms & Private Contractors"...Both having access to use the information KoKo Jun 2013 #124

They need to discontinue such practices. We need regulations and enforcers to make them stop. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #127

Awesome post! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #99

Well said! nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #119

K & R MindPilot Jun 2013 #14

K&R.....States that turn authoritarian always create a propaganda machine woo me with science Jun 2013 #17

It is not the first time we see this in boards. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #23

Thank you. My wording was very poor. woo me with science Jun 2013 #43

That it is...and a new stage in this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45

Well said "Woo." manufacturing illusion.... KoKo Jun 2013 #121

I was trained long ago to see when someone is simply changing the subject. sibelian Jun 2013 #20

Yup, that it is. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #24

Not all changes of subject are psyops/propaganda, some of that is integrative activity that may patrice Jun 2013 #26

And you continue to miss the point dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #33

Are those things more important than the topic at hand: the surveillance state Th1onein Jun 2013 #103

"simply" changing the subject, patrice. sibelian Jun 2013 #111

Snowden is not Plame Skidmore Jun 2013 #30

You also miss the point dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #34

We know. Its about Skidmore Jun 2013 #40

The issues and context are the NSA and its activities dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #42

That's not what I was accused of upthread. Skidmore Jun 2013 #50

WTF? dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #56

Of course he hasn't "made himself the story" sibelian Jun 2013 #116

Free of content. sibelian Jun 2013 #117

That is exactly the point! It matters little if the personality distractions come from psyops, Dragonfli Jun 2013 #98

Yes, what you said. - nt dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #106

And what was leaked, in part, was classified information to China/Russia. You want to talk about NSA KittyWampus Jun 2013 #32

Leaked to a newspaper in Hong Kong. Maedhros Jun 2013 #57

I don't see the difference creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #71

It's not espionage [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2013 #75

Psyops now, but they're trying to keep the focus on the leaker Progressive dog Jun 2013 #36

I'm glad you mentioned this. Kurovski Jun 2013 #38

And control nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #39

K & R, it's a very old trick dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #41

Catch-22 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #44

This story is way bigger than Iran-Contra dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #53

Why I call this a dictablanda nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

So, Snowden leaking secret info is *GOOD*, but Cheney leaking secret info is *BAD*. baldguy Jun 2013 #46

Try reading again nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #48

reading comprehension good.. frylock Jun 2013 #92

Correct, No double standard at all. sibelian Jun 2013 #112

Wrong standard. Orsino Jun 2013 #113

Yep. Game theory. hunter Jun 2013 #47

That is part of it. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #49

Snowden is more like Cheney in that scenario treestar Jun 2013 #55

I find the doggedness of some otherwise intelligent folks here on DU Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #59

Having been through the Plame affair nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #62

The bait and switch has occurred. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #64

I gotta give you credit for admitting it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #65

admitting it? LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #67

maybe you're being confused with someone else carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #80

If that is the case, my apologies. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #86

I wrote this on the matter... LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #89

My deep apologies nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #90

No problem. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #91

Thank you carolinayellodog. That is very nice of you. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #88

Predictable: deurbano Jun 2013 #66

K&R! Phlem Jun 2013 #69

I remember Plame very well, and this is not what happened. She was collateral damage to her husband Hekate Jun 2013 #70

Try re-reading carefully what I wrote. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #72

Plame did defend herself. She was out in the media too Skidmore Jun 2013 #84

Nadin, take a deep breath. You've been talking to me lately as though I just showed up here clueless Hekate Jun 2013 #104

I remember that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #105

I, too, was alive in 2003-2007. cheapdate Jun 2013 #125

Yep. They did damage to us and our govt that might not be healed, ever Hekate Jun 2013 #126

K&R liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #73

All valid points. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #76

Funny seeing all of the people in this thread trying to do it Hydra Jun 2013 #77

I know. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #78

the effort to distract seems to imply that discussion fora are frightening to TPTB carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #79

Because many fora watchers no longer watch David Gregory. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #81

K & R Well done! L0oniX Jun 2013 #82

It's human nature to oversimplify issues too felix_numinous Jun 2013 #93

Very insightful by the way nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #94

You forgot that on DU JoeyT Jun 2013 #96

Kick. (nt) Kurovski Jun 2013 #102

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #110

You mean there's more to this than a personality cult?? wtmusic Jun 2013 #114

The propaganda machine. woo me with science Jun 2013 #120

kicking this wonderful thought-provoking thread. nt navarth Jun 2013 #122

Obfuscation Inc. ymetca Jun 2013 #123

At least you warned us this time. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #128

again with calling DUers dupes bigtree Jun 2013 #132

Well thank you... but you missed it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #133

short sight bigtree Jun 2013 #134

Then we agree that there is a huge psy ops operation ongoing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #135

the psyops is so deep these days that it's hard to tell what position your OWN opinion is serving bigtree Jun 2013 #136

Well this is not activism. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #137