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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
17. As They Say, Ma'am, That Is Not Even Wrong....
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 08:04 AM
Apr 2014

That comment is analogous to asking whether someone playing playing checkers has got his opponent into checkmate yet; it invokes concepts that simply do not apply.

Your comment implies Ukraine annexed the Crimea; it did not. The territory was shifted from the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by Mr. Khrushchev, and neither Russia nor Ukraine, let alone Crimea, was consulted. That Crimea was part of Ukraine when the Soviet Union dissolved does not reflect any acquisitive bent on the part of Ukraine's authorities. All boundaries in that part of the world, indeed just about all boundaries east of the Rhine in Europe, are the result of force majeure on somebody's part, with the only means of consultation with local inhabitants in the matter generally being whether they had the energy, wit, or wherewithal to either kill off their neighbors of different ethnicity or flee to friendly jurisdictions in the chaos of the years immediately following World War Two before they were so done by neighbors of different ethnicity. None of it was, or is, just, but any attempt to rectify it, particularly to rectify by means of military force and invasion, is deeply unsettling to a habit of peace and inviolability of borders that has built up in Europe over the last half century or so. The potential consequences of breaking this consensus that the map is frozen are devastating.

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The Action Was Wrong, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #1
"by the world's leading fascist." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #4
It was wrong. I can't imagine why they'd do such a thing. Glorfindel Apr 2014 #2
The Ukraine was always their bread basket. Warpy Apr 2014 #7
I suppose somebody had to say yes. Cayenne Apr 2014 #3
This May Be The Most Ignorant Post I Have Seen On The Subject In the Last Several Weeks, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #11
Still, it's a better vote than the vote they had to be annexed to the Ukraine in the first place eridani Apr 2014 #12
As They Say, Ma'am, That Is Not Even Wrong.... The Magistrate Apr 2014 #17
The fact remains that the Crimeans HAD NO CHOICE back then eridani Apr 2014 #25
Oh? What choice do they have now? CreekDog Apr 2014 #28
They voted to join Russia n/t eridani Apr 2014 #33
with Russian troops invading? CreekDog Apr 2014 #34
No vote in '54 at all n/t eridani Apr 2014 #36
are you defending ethnic cleansing? CreekDog Apr 2014 #38
Just pointing out that Crimeans voted this year, but not in 1954 n/t eridani Apr 2014 #41
i asked a question about ethnic cleansing of the Tatars CreekDog Apr 2014 #42
Nope. Don't approve. Nor of he Ukranian annexation of Crimea in 1954 eridani Apr 2014 #44
The Ukrainian interim government is *literally* Nazi? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #20
Now, this isn't one of your trap-polls where you do research on those who vote the "wrong" way Skip Intro Apr 2014 #5
well here's an answer to each link you provided: CreekDog Apr 2014 #10
I'm afraid of voting in a poll nilesobek Apr 2014 #30
Was the "show usernames" button insufficiently obvious? Recursion Apr 2014 #37
I work 2 jobs and haven't had the time to nilesobek Apr 2014 #47
there's no statistical analysis CreekDog Apr 2014 #39
Other: Nie mój cyrk, nie moje malpy OmahaBlueDog Apr 2014 #6
I'll pass. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #8
Well, moondust Apr 2014 #9
Maybe you should ask if anybody understands... MattSh Apr 2014 #13
As opposed to someone who gets their information from Paul Craig Roberts? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #19
It is Odd, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #24
Sad thing is, he's not the only poster to have pushed PCR. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #32
A Russian friend of mine claims the Crimean joining Russia was peaceful and democratic AcertainLiz Apr 2014 #14
Russia didn't take Crimea. Crimea willingly left Ukraine. reformist2 Apr 2014 #15
Russian troops were taking key sites before the parliament proclaimed independence muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #18
Not surprised with the results so far. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #16
Crimean Tatars Were In Crimea Since 1300's. The Russian ethnics in the Crimea now KittyWampus Apr 2014 #21
Right for Russia, and probably best for the Crimea. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #22
interesting CreekDog Apr 2014 #23
Very wrong. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #26
Both right and wrong, but practical for Russia. PDJane Apr 2014 #27
Right or wrong according to what? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #29
so you think what's right no longer matters? CreekDog Apr 2014 #40
If the primary power BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #45
I have seen it written here that because of Russia's pension system, any Crimean who opposes this Recursion Apr 2014 #31
The vote result is really good. joshcryer Apr 2014 #35
yes, i was interested to see the overall result CreekDog Apr 2014 #43
kick. William769 Apr 2014 #46
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