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91. "Truth" is often a slippery concept in politics. Who decides what the truth is?

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Fri May 26, 2017, 06:37 PM

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Coal Miners Crushed As White House Admits Trump Lied About Bringing Back Coal Jobs [View all] RKP5637 May 2017 OP

he led them off a cliff and now they are going to pull us all over Horse with no Name May 2017 #1

Hillary told them the truth and offered a dream of new industries Freethinker65 May 2017 #4

Yes, she did, and the response bothered me. LisaM May 2017 #15

Yes, yes, yes! Squinch May 2017 #80

+1,000 NastyRiffraff May 2017 #92

I'm gonna be pummeled because Plucketeer May 2017 #103

That's a very calm and sensible response. yardwork May 2017 #113

LITERALLY the first thing I thought and said aloud when I saw the headline. Very succinct, Grown2Hate May 2017 #143

Yes not fooled May 2017 #157

If one wants to engage those morans, your message must fit on a bumper sticker. Ligyron May 2017 #177

and preferably fit into a three word chant MrPurple May 2017 #181

There are none so blind as those who will not see. Dulcinea May 2017 #176

but but but... TrishaJ May 2017 #25

And BENGHAZI!!!!1111 jpak May 2017 #53

Republican operatives are still boasting about that lie IronLionZion May 2017 #55

New Rule! SCVDem May 2017 #61

They want people under-educated, unhealthy, and insecure IronLionZion May 2017 #64

But they also want them dead by taking away their health insurance and encouraging them to kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #135

They wanted lies LiberalBrooke May 2017 #166

She did grantcart May 2017 #150

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2017 #154

No they walked over the cliff themselves DBoon May 2017 #21

They Knew 30 years ago Left-over May 2017 #56

A fine post. panader0 May 2017 #63

That's a powerful and sad story - not only about coal but about humankind erronis May 2017 #66

YES! maddiemom May 2017 #111

That's what really pisses me off. Their stupid arrogance and ignorance, proud of their RKP5637 May 2017 #23

Me too it's their arrogance about their ignorance lunasun May 2017 #31

Yep! I can always understand people not knowing something. ... but then many people RKP5637 May 2017 #34

Yep - get called an elitist all the time. I'm a freaking social worker making next to NOTHING. kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #138

He didnt lead them off it they led themselves he just kicked their fingers free from the edge as cstanleytech May 2017 #44

Get thee to the greatest page malaise May 2017 #2

Coal miners aren't stupid, stupid ones don't last long Warpy May 2017 #9

Way too sad malaise May 2017 #12

No, they don't, they've been lied to by everybody Warpy May 2017 #16

It is easier to fool someone, than it is to convince someone they've been fooled GeoWilliam750 May 2017 #67

Fortunately, the Orange Shitstorm is doing our work for us Warpy May 2017 #70

I hope so! This just might be the pivot point this country needs for millions to wake the F up RKP5637 May 2017 #28

Desperate people will believe what they want ...many have been left behind in the 'global ' Demsrule86 May 2017 #163

Anyone who knew anything about Trump's background maddiemom May 2017 #178

Having lived in many states...people in red areas don't get the news unless they watch cable and Demsrule86 May 2017 #182

Having lived in the coal mining areas of three states, maddiemom May 2017 #188

My hubs spent 30 years right out of college in autos...believe me I get it...Hillary was the first Demsrule86 May 2017 #190

I hope they take their anger out on Turnip and the repuke party. LOL Lib May 2017 #3

I dont think they will because to do that they would have to accept responsibility for cstanleytech May 2017 #47

I think you are correct. LOL Lib May 2017 #79

Fuck 'em. roamer65 May 2017 #5

Good, maybe more of them will catch a fucking clue Warpy May 2017 #6

A materials engineering friend of mine went through how reuseable ceramics are Blue_true May 2017 #134

Responses here WellDarn May 2017 #7

Proceed governor jpak May 2017 #54

hell, the believed onethatcares May 2017 #8

I'll never understand DemKittyNC May 2017 #10

And to add insult to injury, Obamacare ending means black lung benefits ending. Sorry, suckers. Vinca May 2017 #11

If only someone had warned them gratuitous May 2017 #13

I would like to hear from someone in coal mining country... angstlessk May 2017 #14

Exactly!!! He's "basically strip mining coal workers!" n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #29

SSDI is a cottage industry in Trump country. keithbvadu2 May 2017 #145

If any of them are still ALIVE in 2020, maybe they'll make a better choice. NurseJackie May 2017 #17

SUCKERS! workinclasszero May 2017 #18

This is so extremely sad - and extremely obvious FakeNoose May 2017 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author WellDarn May 2017 #24

Hey coal country... you believed him C_U_L8R May 2017 #20

When those counties vote 90% Trump, I'm very sorry to say, but I'm not going to weep for them alcibiades_mystery May 2017 #22

My husband is a railroader. So many railroaders helpisontheway May 2017 #26

It's an information war, and we lost this battle. They believed the GOP. sharedvalues May 2017 #39

I doubt that FOX will report this. crazylikafox May 2017 #27

Yep, that's probably what will happen. The truth will be withheld from them and some lies will RKP5637 May 2017 #30

They would only believe it if Fox Spews reported it, otherwise it's "fake" news. Willfully ignorant! FreeStateDemocrat May 2017 #58

Flipped to Faux and they had short snippet rolling on the bottom re: Kushner but were whining kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #141

If Trump runs again, they will still vote for him. Hoyt May 2017 #32

Sadly, that will likely happen. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #35

Only if we fail to communicate the truth to them. sharedvalues May 2017 #40

Wish it were that simple. Hoyt May 2017 #139

Hillary communicated the truth to them and they hated her for telling the truth. Blue_true May 2017 #140

They don't believe us or facts. How do we do that? Only by being better propagandists & psyops. kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #142

It only takes a small chink to bring down a propaganda machine sharedvalues May 2017 #148

how come Black People aren't affected ? in fact it's only white people who fall for it JI7 May 2017 #152

Yup La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #65

They believed Twitler Phoenix61 May 2017 #33

Yep, many may be so far at the end of their rope they decided it was Trump or nothing. He told RKP5637 May 2017 #37

Fuck anybody who is too stupid to vote for trump gopiscrap May 2017 #36

You do realize that hole is starting at Mar-A-Lago? Doreen May 2017 #129

We are in an information war. Our side lost this battle sharedvalues May 2017 #38

I agree. Problem is, they don't care if they tell lies. We do care. GliderGuider May 2017 #71

Agreed but journalists bear a lot of blame sharedvalues May 2017 #74

"Truth" is often a slippery concept in politics. Who decides what the truth is? GliderGuider May 2017 #91

People with brains and educations. "Post-truth" is a copout sharedvalues May 2017 #95

The GOP won't save them. Well, maybe we shouldn't save all of them either. ck4829 May 2017 #123

We need to embrace people hurt by the GOP sharedvalues May 2017 #126

We should be helping them by sending young Dems and Dems from local organizations to help kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #144

That is one way yup sharedvalues May 2017 #149

K&R zentrum May 2017 #41

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow May 2017 #42

Trump will retract the White House admission Progressive dog May 2017 #43

Don't worry. He'll repeat the same meme in 2020 and they'll vote for him. Oneironaut May 2017 #45

I have no doubt. dalton99a May 2017 #180

Will they finally catch on? wryter2000 May 2017 #46

I honestly think they will also I will be the powerball Saturday night and I will then be taking cstanleytech May 2017 #51

I'm starting to think it's a hard-wired brain function, they well might vote the same again, RKP5637 May 2017 #52

They get what they vote for (middle finger raised) DinahMoeHum May 2017 #48

Not the best choice of words for the headline. MindPilot May 2017 #49

Wasn't my choice, that was headline from the article. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #59

Oh I get that; very sorry if I implied otherwise. MindPilot May 2017 #105

Hi, that's OK, I understand! RKP5637 May 2017 #109

We been digging in the dirt all Jacquette May 2017 #50

The only people that Trump does not lie to are the rich people SummerSnow May 2017 #57

What a shocker! He LIED???? Honeycombe8 May 2017 #60

OMG, How about that! He was such an honest man, so passionate. RKP5637 May 2017 #62

Such a great businessman too workinclasszero May 2017 #75

Yes, but he told us he was the smartest person ever! FFS, people are soooooo stupid!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #77

Americans are the easiest marks in the world workinclasszero May 2017 #85

And they never learn. It's always been a constant WTF to me. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #88

Because they need to cling to their racist hate above all workinclasszero May 2017 #93

Yep, there's a lot of that in there. Pathetic! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #94

I don't see that the 'crushed' coal miners know anything about what the WH said. Shrike47 May 2017 #68

And now will be the insult to add to the injury. Buns_of_Fire May 2017 #69

Seriously, did they think Dumpty was King Midas and going to put coal back in the mines. GAH iluvtennis May 2017 #72

Stupidity runs pretty deep in the US. I was really shocked when he kept saying this and they kept RKP5637 May 2017 #76

Mike Rowe on where the jobs are IronLionZion May 2017 #73

Definitely!!!!!!! There are jobs to be had! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #81

People need training and apprenticeships to get trade jobs IronLionZion May 2017 #125

i have lived SE Ky since i was a kid LSFL May 2017 #78

I recall well my dad telling me when young two jobs never to get into, coal mining and farming. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #82

Trump lied for votes. Beartracks May 2017 #83

And, they still do it and are going to do it again in 2018 and 2020. They are such a deceitful bunch RKP5637 May 2017 #87

Coal Miners Crushed As They Find Out That Bears Shit In The Woods, Instead Of In Little Spaceships.. TrollBuster9090 May 2017 #84

YOUR JOBS ARE GOING IF NOT ALREADY GONE!!!!!! NCTraveler May 2017 #86

But they can't learn this, just WTF is wrong with them. It's incredible. What a bunch of suckers, RKP5637 May 2017 #89

I would rather have my grandchildren Mr.Bill May 2017 #90

Hillary tried to be honest with them. They booed her and told her to never come back to W.VA. nikibatts May 2017 #96

Yep, they knew everything. They didn't want to hear the truth, much less take any corrective RKP5637 May 2017 #98

Yup workinclasszero May 2017 #121

OMGOMGOMGOMG--Did he Lie? randr May 2017 #97

Nah, he's one of the good guys, just ask Fox. He's just got a different style to him. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #99

What is the saying? randr May 2017 #101

Sure sounds good!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #110

Mr. Peabody's coal train has hauled it away... blitzen May 2017 #100

Inland mudflats now. So sad. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #114

if they only knew bora13 May 2017 #102

When someone says, "Believe me," best exercise caution. colorado_ufo May 2017 #104

They aren't crushed because they don't believe it rpannier May 2017 #106

Not only will the jobs be gone but... WePurrsevere May 2017 #107

but her emails.... Takket May 2017 #112

I know... it bugs the heck out of me that they WePurrsevere May 2017 #120

Hey they are just common folk workinclasszero May 2017 #122

did he offer to bring back Black Lung too? TalenaGor May 2017 #108

Yeah, that too! The creep! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #115

hoping every single one of them that supported him Amimnoch May 2017 #116

They are sinking this nation for millions. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #119

At some point, a majority of them will be forced to admit they've been lied to by Trump DFW May 2017 #117

Yes, anger is a more powerful emotion ruling out logic in their case. They feed on anger. Many will RKP5637 May 2017 #118

They've been lied to--and hurt economically-- not fooled May 2017 #159

The very people crushed now . . . peggysue2 May 2017 #124

And I bet Trump considers them all losers! This thing called Trump is disgusting. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #171

Fuck 'em. We're in this nightmare clusterfuck liberalhistorian May 2017 #127

When my dad worked in the mines blueinredohio May 2017 #128

They will receive no sympathy from me if they voted for him. LonePirate May 2017 #130

Sorry you bought the Con Coal Miners Best_man23 May 2017 #131

Some of my best friends were miners Mountain Mule May 2017 #132

Oh I thought all the coal miners went back to work on "Day One" doc03 May 2017 #133

They didn't learn from Bush???? Guess people have short memories. kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #136

Let me hear them pledge never to vote Republican again Orrex May 2017 #137

What hasn't he lied about?? Rhiannon12866 May 2017 #146

I hope in these investigations the ass in the WH is forced to reveal his tax returns. There must RKP5637 May 2017 #172

This fool had no idea what it meant to be president Rhiannon12866 May 2017 #183

Coal miner tells MSNBC that Trump is going to bring back jobs and health care. McCamy Taylor May 2017 #147

Mindblowing workinclasszero May 2017 #151

That MSNBC tape was made back in March not fooled May 2017 #161

There is nothing in that story that points to any reaction by coal miners BainsBane May 2017 #153

I know LeftInTX May 2017 #158

K & R........nt Heartstrings May 2017 #155

Willing suspension of disbelief is just fine... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #156

TGF and Roy Cohn Awsi Dooger May 2017 #160

Very well said! It really becomes a Trump mind meld with these voters. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #168

It's hard to feel sorry when their decision is threatening my health coverage Starry Messenger May 2017 #162

That, must be exceptionally difficult! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #169

"I like hard hats. Let's see if it's a hard hat. It's a hard hat! IT'S A HARD HAT!" Miles Archer May 2017 #164

Bringing back the jobs was pure fantasy all along bucolic_frolic May 2017 #165

It made absolutely no sense from day one! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #170

And more than twice when this was pointed out to them bucolic_frolic May 2017 #174

Trump, no let me change that AND politicians WellDarn May 2017 #167

To quote "Animal House", Crunchy Frog May 2017 #173

Coal miners voting for trump is almost as stupid as breathing in coal dust all day mdbl May 2017 #175

Once again coal miners are taken for suckers Botany May 2017 #179

If they voted for Trump they deserve to be "Shafted"! nt Mars and Minerva May 2017 #184

"...believe me." Iggo May 2017 #185

"It was a rare moment of truth from the Trump administration that is likely to be walked back red dog 1 May 2017 #186

Probably he will say that. Definitely not what the liar in chief wanted. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #187

Your jobs ain't coming back and your healthcare is under attack. oasis May 2017 #189

They fucked up and trusted Trump MrScorpio May 2017 #191