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148. It only takes a small chink to bring down a propaganda machine

Fri May 26, 2017, 10:17 PM

May 2017

See this relevant article about Venezuela today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/05/25/venezuelas-propaganda-state-is-collapsing-under-its-own-weight/

If I were setting strategy for Democrats, I'd tell them to describe the propaganda machine, and also describe WHY it exists -- Breitbart, Reason are funded today by GOP donors, Murdoch has had an agenda for years, and all these outlets coordinate on talking points. Ultimate goal is to destroy the govt to cut taxes mainly on GOP donors.

Progressives do a bad job with narrative -- WHY does the RW propaganda machine exist, and WHO is behind it.

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Coal Miners Crushed As White House Admits Trump Lied About Bringing Back Coal Jobs [View all] RKP5637 May 2017 OP

he led them off a cliff and now they are going to pull us all over Horse with no Name May 2017 #1

Hillary told them the truth and offered a dream of new industries Freethinker65 May 2017 #4

Yes, she did, and the response bothered me. LisaM May 2017 #15

Yes, yes, yes! Squinch May 2017 #80

+1,000 NastyRiffraff May 2017 #92

I'm gonna be pummeled because Plucketeer May 2017 #103

That's a very calm and sensible response. yardwork May 2017 #113

LITERALLY the first thing I thought and said aloud when I saw the headline. Very succinct, Grown2Hate May 2017 #143

Yes not fooled May 2017 #157

If one wants to engage those morans, your message must fit on a bumper sticker. Ligyron May 2017 #177

and preferably fit into a three word chant MrPurple May 2017 #181

There are none so blind as those who will not see. Dulcinea May 2017 #176

but but but... TrishaJ May 2017 #25

And BENGHAZI!!!!1111 jpak May 2017 #53

Republican operatives are still boasting about that lie IronLionZion May 2017 #55

New Rule! SCVDem May 2017 #61

They want people under-educated, unhealthy, and insecure IronLionZion May 2017 #64

But they also want them dead by taking away their health insurance and encouraging them to kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #135

They wanted lies LiberalBrooke May 2017 #166

She did grantcart May 2017 #150

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2017 #154

No they walked over the cliff themselves DBoon May 2017 #21

They Knew 30 years ago Left-over May 2017 #56

A fine post. panader0 May 2017 #63

That's a powerful and sad story - not only about coal but about humankind erronis May 2017 #66

YES! maddiemom May 2017 #111

That's what really pisses me off. Their stupid arrogance and ignorance, proud of their RKP5637 May 2017 #23

Me too it's their arrogance about their ignorance lunasun May 2017 #31

Yep! I can always understand people not knowing something. ... but then many people RKP5637 May 2017 #34

Yep - get called an elitist all the time. I'm a freaking social worker making next to NOTHING. kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #138

He didnt lead them off it they led themselves he just kicked their fingers free from the edge as cstanleytech May 2017 #44

Get thee to the greatest page malaise May 2017 #2

Coal miners aren't stupid, stupid ones don't last long Warpy May 2017 #9

Way too sad malaise May 2017 #12

No, they don't, they've been lied to by everybody Warpy May 2017 #16

It is easier to fool someone, than it is to convince someone they've been fooled GeoWilliam750 May 2017 #67

Fortunately, the Orange Shitstorm is doing our work for us Warpy May 2017 #70

I hope so! This just might be the pivot point this country needs for millions to wake the F up RKP5637 May 2017 #28

Desperate people will believe what they want ...many have been left behind in the 'global ' Demsrule86 May 2017 #163

Anyone who knew anything about Trump's background maddiemom May 2017 #178

Having lived in many states...people in red areas don't get the news unless they watch cable and Demsrule86 May 2017 #182

Having lived in the coal mining areas of three states, maddiemom May 2017 #188

My hubs spent 30 years right out of college in autos...believe me I get it...Hillary was the first Demsrule86 May 2017 #190

I hope they take their anger out on Turnip and the repuke party. LOL Lib May 2017 #3

I dont think they will because to do that they would have to accept responsibility for cstanleytech May 2017 #47

I think you are correct. LOL Lib May 2017 #79

Fuck 'em. roamer65 May 2017 #5

Good, maybe more of them will catch a fucking clue Warpy May 2017 #6

A materials engineering friend of mine went through how reuseable ceramics are Blue_true May 2017 #134

Responses here WellDarn May 2017 #7

Proceed governor jpak May 2017 #54

hell, the believed onethatcares May 2017 #8

I'll never understand DemKittyNC May 2017 #10

And to add insult to injury, Obamacare ending means black lung benefits ending. Sorry, suckers. Vinca May 2017 #11

If only someone had warned them gratuitous May 2017 #13

I would like to hear from someone in coal mining country... angstlessk May 2017 #14

Exactly!!! He's "basically strip mining coal workers!" n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #29

SSDI is a cottage industry in Trump country. keithbvadu2 May 2017 #145

If any of them are still ALIVE in 2020, maybe they'll make a better choice. NurseJackie May 2017 #17

SUCKERS! workinclasszero May 2017 #18

This is so extremely sad - and extremely obvious FakeNoose May 2017 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author WellDarn May 2017 #24

Hey coal country... you believed him C_U_L8R May 2017 #20

When those counties vote 90% Trump, I'm very sorry to say, but I'm not going to weep for them alcibiades_mystery May 2017 #22

My husband is a railroader. So many railroaders helpisontheway May 2017 #26

It's an information war, and we lost this battle. They believed the GOP. sharedvalues May 2017 #39

I doubt that FOX will report this. crazylikafox May 2017 #27

Yep, that's probably what will happen. The truth will be withheld from them and some lies will RKP5637 May 2017 #30

They would only believe it if Fox Spews reported it, otherwise it's "fake" news. Willfully ignorant! FreeStateDemocrat May 2017 #58

Flipped to Faux and they had short snippet rolling on the bottom re: Kushner but were whining kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #141

If Trump runs again, they will still vote for him. Hoyt May 2017 #32

Sadly, that will likely happen. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #35

Only if we fail to communicate the truth to them. sharedvalues May 2017 #40

Wish it were that simple. Hoyt May 2017 #139

Hillary communicated the truth to them and they hated her for telling the truth. Blue_true May 2017 #140

They don't believe us or facts. How do we do that? Only by being better propagandists & psyops. kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #142

It only takes a small chink to bring down a propaganda machine sharedvalues May 2017 #148

how come Black People aren't affected ? in fact it's only white people who fall for it JI7 May 2017 #152

Yup La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #65

They believed Twitler Phoenix61 May 2017 #33

Yep, many may be so far at the end of their rope they decided it was Trump or nothing. He told RKP5637 May 2017 #37

Fuck anybody who is too stupid to vote for trump gopiscrap May 2017 #36

You do realize that hole is starting at Mar-A-Lago? Doreen May 2017 #129

We are in an information war. Our side lost this battle sharedvalues May 2017 #38

I agree. Problem is, they don't care if they tell lies. We do care. GliderGuider May 2017 #71

Agreed but journalists bear a lot of blame sharedvalues May 2017 #74

"Truth" is often a slippery concept in politics. Who decides what the truth is? GliderGuider May 2017 #91

People with brains and educations. "Post-truth" is a copout sharedvalues May 2017 #95

The GOP won't save them. Well, maybe we shouldn't save all of them either. ck4829 May 2017 #123

We need to embrace people hurt by the GOP sharedvalues May 2017 #126

We should be helping them by sending young Dems and Dems from local organizations to help kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #144

That is one way yup sharedvalues May 2017 #149

K&R zentrum May 2017 #41

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow May 2017 #42

Trump will retract the White House admission Progressive dog May 2017 #43

Don't worry. He'll repeat the same meme in 2020 and they'll vote for him. Oneironaut May 2017 #45

I have no doubt. dalton99a May 2017 #180

Will they finally catch on? wryter2000 May 2017 #46

I honestly think they will also I will be the powerball Saturday night and I will then be taking cstanleytech May 2017 #51

I'm starting to think it's a hard-wired brain function, they well might vote the same again, RKP5637 May 2017 #52

They get what they vote for (middle finger raised) DinahMoeHum May 2017 #48

Not the best choice of words for the headline. MindPilot May 2017 #49

Wasn't my choice, that was headline from the article. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #59

Oh I get that; very sorry if I implied otherwise. MindPilot May 2017 #105

Hi, that's OK, I understand! RKP5637 May 2017 #109

We been digging in the dirt all Jacquette May 2017 #50

The only people that Trump does not lie to are the rich people SummerSnow May 2017 #57

What a shocker! He LIED???? Honeycombe8 May 2017 #60

OMG, How about that! He was such an honest man, so passionate. RKP5637 May 2017 #62

Such a great businessman too workinclasszero May 2017 #75

Yes, but he told us he was the smartest person ever! FFS, people are soooooo stupid!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #77

Americans are the easiest marks in the world workinclasszero May 2017 #85

And they never learn. It's always been a constant WTF to me. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #88

Because they need to cling to their racist hate above all workinclasszero May 2017 #93

Yep, there's a lot of that in there. Pathetic! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #94

I don't see that the 'crushed' coal miners know anything about what the WH said. Shrike47 May 2017 #68

And now will be the insult to add to the injury. Buns_of_Fire May 2017 #69

Seriously, did they think Dumpty was King Midas and going to put coal back in the mines. GAH iluvtennis May 2017 #72

Stupidity runs pretty deep in the US. I was really shocked when he kept saying this and they kept RKP5637 May 2017 #76

Mike Rowe on where the jobs are IronLionZion May 2017 #73

Definitely!!!!!!! There are jobs to be had! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #81

People need training and apprenticeships to get trade jobs IronLionZion May 2017 #125

i have lived SE Ky since i was a kid LSFL May 2017 #78

I recall well my dad telling me when young two jobs never to get into, coal mining and farming. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #82

Trump lied for votes. Beartracks May 2017 #83

And, they still do it and are going to do it again in 2018 and 2020. They are such a deceitful bunch RKP5637 May 2017 #87

Coal Miners Crushed As They Find Out That Bears Shit In The Woods, Instead Of In Little Spaceships.. TrollBuster9090 May 2017 #84

YOUR JOBS ARE GOING IF NOT ALREADY GONE!!!!!! NCTraveler May 2017 #86

But they can't learn this, just WTF is wrong with them. It's incredible. What a bunch of suckers, RKP5637 May 2017 #89

I would rather have my grandchildren Mr.Bill May 2017 #90

Hillary tried to be honest with them. They booed her and told her to never come back to W.VA. nikibatts May 2017 #96

Yep, they knew everything. They didn't want to hear the truth, much less take any corrective RKP5637 May 2017 #98

Yup workinclasszero May 2017 #121

OMGOMGOMGOMG--Did he Lie? randr May 2017 #97

Nah, he's one of the good guys, just ask Fox. He's just got a different style to him. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #99

What is the saying? randr May 2017 #101

Sure sounds good!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #110

Mr. Peabody's coal train has hauled it away... blitzen May 2017 #100

Inland mudflats now. So sad. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #114

if they only knew bora13 May 2017 #102

When someone says, "Believe me," best exercise caution. colorado_ufo May 2017 #104

They aren't crushed because they don't believe it rpannier May 2017 #106

Not only will the jobs be gone but... WePurrsevere May 2017 #107

but her emails.... Takket May 2017 #112

I know... it bugs the heck out of me that they WePurrsevere May 2017 #120

Hey they are just common folk workinclasszero May 2017 #122

did he offer to bring back Black Lung too? TalenaGor May 2017 #108

Yeah, that too! The creep! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #115

hoping every single one of them that supported him Amimnoch May 2017 #116

They are sinking this nation for millions. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #119

At some point, a majority of them will be forced to admit they've been lied to by Trump DFW May 2017 #117

Yes, anger is a more powerful emotion ruling out logic in their case. They feed on anger. Many will RKP5637 May 2017 #118

They've been lied to--and hurt economically-- not fooled May 2017 #159

The very people crushed now . . . peggysue2 May 2017 #124

And I bet Trump considers them all losers! This thing called Trump is disgusting. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #171

Fuck 'em. We're in this nightmare clusterfuck liberalhistorian May 2017 #127

When my dad worked in the mines blueinredohio May 2017 #128

They will receive no sympathy from me if they voted for him. LonePirate May 2017 #130

Sorry you bought the Con Coal Miners Best_man23 May 2017 #131

Some of my best friends were miners Mountain Mule May 2017 #132

Oh I thought all the coal miners went back to work on "Day One" doc03 May 2017 #133

They didn't learn from Bush???? Guess people have short memories. kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #136

Let me hear them pledge never to vote Republican again Orrex May 2017 #137

What hasn't he lied about?? Rhiannon12866 May 2017 #146

I hope in these investigations the ass in the WH is forced to reveal his tax returns. There must RKP5637 May 2017 #172

This fool had no idea what it meant to be president Rhiannon12866 May 2017 #183

Coal miner tells MSNBC that Trump is going to bring back jobs and health care. McCamy Taylor May 2017 #147

Mindblowing workinclasszero May 2017 #151

That MSNBC tape was made back in March not fooled May 2017 #161

There is nothing in that story that points to any reaction by coal miners BainsBane May 2017 #153

I know LeftInTX May 2017 #158

K & R........nt Heartstrings May 2017 #155

Willing suspension of disbelief is just fine... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #156

TGF and Roy Cohn Awsi Dooger May 2017 #160

Very well said! It really becomes a Trump mind meld with these voters. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #168

It's hard to feel sorry when their decision is threatening my health coverage Starry Messenger May 2017 #162

That, must be exceptionally difficult! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #169

"I like hard hats. Let's see if it's a hard hat. It's a hard hat! IT'S A HARD HAT!" Miles Archer May 2017 #164

Bringing back the jobs was pure fantasy all along bucolic_frolic May 2017 #165

It made absolutely no sense from day one! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #170

And more than twice when this was pointed out to them bucolic_frolic May 2017 #174

Trump, no let me change that AND politicians WellDarn May 2017 #167

To quote "Animal House", Crunchy Frog May 2017 #173

Coal miners voting for trump is almost as stupid as breathing in coal dust all day mdbl May 2017 #175

Once again coal miners are taken for suckers Botany May 2017 #179

If they voted for Trump they deserve to be "Shafted"! nt Mars and Minerva May 2017 #184

"...believe me." Iggo May 2017 #185

"It was a rare moment of truth from the Trump administration that is likely to be walked back red dog 1 May 2017 #186

Probably he will say that. Definitely not what the liar in chief wanted. n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #187

Your jobs ain't coming back and your healthcare is under attack. oasis May 2017 #189

They fucked up and trusted Trump MrScorpio May 2017 #191