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LiberalLovinLug

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50. Forgive me if I'm reading you incorrectly, but i disagree that it was wrong for Thom and others to use RT
Sun Sep 29, 2024, 03:29 PM
Sep 29

I do not think they were "duped". They knew perfectly well who was giving them a platform. Their only crime, Schultz, Hartmann, Abby Marten, and other left leaning voices, was to knowingly use that tarnished gift of a space and production budget in order to spread truth to power. Because there was no other way to do it, at least very effectively. Air America was long gone. And the Right had gobbled up most of the media space that was left.

Putin purposely funded far left voices, and far right voices at the same time. It was the same strategy of funding Bernie Sanders campaigns in order to make it difficult for Hillary. Or funding the Stein and the Green Party. For Putin, its about destabilization of western democracies. Causing as much division as possible so they are weaker and easier to win against, Not necessarily militarily but economically.

I believe that, at the time at least, Putin opened up RT to any American lefty that wanted to tear down the US system. And right wing and corporate news networks had a vested interest in keeping the corporate status quo. They were never going to give Hartmann or especially someone like Martin, an MSM show of their own. Even Cenk didn't last very long on MSNBC.

So Hartmann and others said.....what the hell, if its our only way to get out more voices from the left, and as long as RT lets us say whatever we want to about the flaws in the US government?.....why not? Why not use RT for their own purposes. I don't think they were duped, and didn't know Putin's purposes. They just came to the conclusion that even if it caused more division to speak truth to right wing power, it couldn't be helped. The need was too great for the country to be able to hear from the other side.

Division is bad, but allowing unchallenged Fascist propaganda to flourish, and a neutered MSM, not having any progressive counter argument going on in the public domain was way worse. They took advantage of the stage offered them to enlighten the masses. And I for one, watched back then, and really really appreciated that they had a place to host their programs. No matter what the host's broader agenda was.

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Flies do not get distracted. They know what they like and focus in. Attilatheblond Sep 29 #1
That's true. Our cat keeps the house clear of insects and spiders. yardwork Sep 29 #5
I think it's time to move past "not normal." He's senile. We need to use the "TOO OLD" meme in ads mpcamb Sep 29 #57
Are you old enough to remember the Memorex cassett tape ads? 'Is it live or is it Memorex?' Attilatheblond Sep 29 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 29 #2
This guy knows BaronChocula Sep 29 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 29 #53
And they will still vote for him. How many, though, hope for him to step down and will be happy question everything Sep 29 #3
Difference is Trump is distracted by flies SomedayKindaLove Sep 29 #4
Was it wearing a tiny little Kamala sign? Bayard Sep 29 #6
Thom Hartmann mentioned this technique he thinks tRump is using yaesu Sep 29 #7
I hope that Hartmann is not trying to contribute to "sane-washing" 45 BumRushDaShow Sep 29 #8
NEVER underestimate an enemy! With that said you should already know that Hartmann is the leading progressive yaesu Sep 29 #9
And was also working for RT for 7 years BumRushDaShow Sep 29 #10
Post removed Post removed Sep 29 #13
Bashing a well know progressive? not good. nt yaesu Sep 29 #16
ThomHartman is still a DUer unc70 Sep 29 #21
Who cares? Doesnt immunize him from criticism. oldsoftie Sep 29 #31
"why would ANY storyteller want to confuse their audience. " LiberalLovinLug Sep 29 #49
I guess I shouldve said "anyone except trump"! Because they'll love it regardless. oldsoftie Sep 29 #52
Actually dissing Thom is a russian tatic. That rant is about as old as the bible. nt yaesu Sep 29 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Sep 29 #24
You weren't here under Obama BumRushDaShow Sep 29 #25
Forgive me if I'm reading you incorrectly, but i disagree that it was wrong for Thom and others to use RT LiberalLovinLug Sep 29 #50
Part of my reasoning to subbing to what was originally XM BumRushDaShow Sep 29 #54
Thanks for the background info. LiberalLovinLug Sep 29 #56
I sub to Mother Jones BumRushDaShow Sep 29 #58
There used to be other left of center choices LiberalLovinLug Sep 29 #60
"the disgraced Bernie Ward" BumRushDaShow Sep 29 #62
"where the likes of an AOC and a Dick Cheney, can agree on the same thing" LiberalLovinLug Sep 29 #65
LOL. According to whom? "Thom" himself? Too many rubles in his bank account to suit me. PSPS Sep 29 #14
He sure gets under your skin, doesn't he? yaesu Sep 29 #17
2 put on my full ignore list in one post, a new record! yaesu Sep 29 #19
Yes asm128 Sep 29 #23
And another propagandist is put on ignore! canuckledragger Sep 29 #27
# 3 on full ignore, thank you!!! yaesu Sep 29 #41
Oh bullshit. He's RAMBLING nothing more. oldsoftie Sep 29 #30
I tend to agree that tRumps brain is too washed up to handle any speaking plan. I mean, he's talking to flies now lol. n yaesu Sep 29 #43
And they STILL cheer oldsoftie Sep 29 #45
No. Hartman is wrong. Tsf is just vomiting idiocy Scrivener7 Sep 29 #37
Hartmann tends to overcomplicate things. TwilightZone Sep 29 #38
I agree with this and I think on this point he's doing just that as tRump could never handle such an intricate plan. nt yaesu Sep 29 #42
Sounds like another form of hypnotism Nasruddin Sep 29 #47
"this is not normal" says a media personality while they continue to treat it as such. PSPS Sep 29 #11
Overcome by his own fumes. Oh the humanity. twodogsbarking Sep 29 #12
Could it be a descendant of the Mike Pence fly? Wicked Blue Sep 29 #18
Wow...there it is...! nickster48 Sep 29 #20
There was no fly. twodogsbarking Sep 29 #22
Forget border wall, America needs to build a dome to keep out flies IronLionZion Sep 29 #26
Biden had one solution BumRushDaShow Sep 29 #39
To be fair angrychair Sep 29 #28
I think he's making a reference to immigrants and insinuating they bring flies with them when they move north to the US jalan48 Sep 29 #29
That makes sense coming from him. His audience is too stupid to grasp it tho oldsoftie Sep 29 #32
I think many Maggots pick up on it honestly. They are really tuned into their racism. jalan48 Sep 29 #35
I guarantee he intended that as a slam on immigrants intrepidity Sep 29 #33
JFC, people vote for this trash? Aviation Pro Sep 29 #34
"Trump was on stage at Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin, making a point about a hat..." BadgerMom Sep 29 #36
Exhausted? Distracted? peggysue2 Sep 29 #40
Trump gets a fly, Bernie got a dove... malthaussen Sep 29 #44
If a small thing has the power to annoy you BWdem4life Sep 29 #46
🪰 IrishAfricanAmerican Sep 29 #48
Dump needs a rapid diaper change Blue Owl Sep 29 #55
"Not normal..." myohmy2 Sep 29 #59
A descendant of Pence's debate fly? IzzaNuDay Sep 29 #61
Good! The fly disguise works! Aussie105 Sep 29 #64
Kick BlueWavePsych Sep 30 #66
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