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TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
14. Lot's of bubble here
Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:05 AM
Jun 2018

"that would mean that EVERY non EU country that that has a trade deal with the EU has zero access to the common market whilst the EU has complete access to theirs"

Of course that's NOT true.

First, it should be noted that we're not talking about "EVERY non EU country that that has a trade deal with the EU," which is a VERY different prospect than being in a Customs Union. Conflating those two things is a very "fact free bubble" way to behave.

But let's look at what you probably meant to suggest:

Play this out.

The UK leaves the EU.
The UK has a Custom Union with the EU, remembering that a Custom's union means the UK can't negotiate better than EU deals with third parties.

Singapore makes a trade deal with the EU.

The UK is not IN the EU.

The UK then has to negotiate a separate deal - which has terms no better than the EU deal - or it can't access the Singaporean market. Because it doesn't have a deal with Singapore, the EU does. Not the UK. The EU.

On the OTHER hand, Singapore can happily sell into the UK via any other EU country.

AND what benefit does Singapore have by giving another country access to it's market? Why would it spend it's resources to help the UK? It likely wouldn't, or at the very least it would be a low priority of ANY government.

And all of this, because a Customs Union strips your freedom.

Which is why it's wildly worse than being an EU member.

From the article you linked:

"The option of a new UK customs union with the EU would need to ensure the UK has a say in future trade deals ... being able to negotiate agreement of new trade deals in our national interest..."

This is NOT what is or ever will be on offer. A meaningful voice at the table in the EU, after leaving the EU? It's a joke, and it's been shot down repeatedly BY the EU. Another bit of information that hasn't penetrated the UK media bubble. Like the idea that Max-Fac is a going concern. Two sides in the same fact free bubble.

From the "rule taker" perspective, a Custom's Union is almost exactly the same as an EEA deal.

This is what you'd know if you read non-UK media. Customs Union = rule taker. Claims that a deal could allow the UK to have some sort of "all of the benefits and none of the commitments" deal is wilfully delusional or disastrously out of touch.

Your article also calls a CU: "a diminution of international influence". No kidding.

As for what I'd want, there's no good option for Ireland. Would I rather be shot in the left arm or the right? Tough decision.

Whatever the UK chooses will materially and permanently damage multiple EU countries AND the UK, and my country the most of all EU countries. Aside from schadenfreude and wishing for things that'll never happen, I have no real hope, but try and cope with the shit storm a bunch of racists and xenophobes have unleashed on my country.

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