It's really only violence if it is man vs. woman.

[bettyellen]

95. I agree, except that you actually did stir up this dustup by putting "men VS women" in the OP....

So you kind of got what you asked for.

It's a shame that men would think that not appearing weak is a more important thing. It kind of supports the whole "might makes right" pov that is at the root of this culture of violence. I wish I saw more men speak out about child abuse or bullying, because I think it would help shift the culture to a saner place at a faster pace. When I was in Ireland years ago, helping out with interviews of grassroots as well as peace activists, they were over 80% women. I asked them if this was an anomoly or if they same the same when they met with other groups fighting sectarian violence and they all said no, that's about the percentage. The guys are not volunteering, they take paid management positions at charities, but rarely do any freebies. Even though the vast majority of violence was man VS man, the activists were mostly women. Fighting for a better future for the men and boys they knew, and by extention, for a better society. It's sad that many men can't seem to get together and fight for their own boys sake, let alone society's.