Israel/Palestine

Little Tich

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25. All calls for removing a population of one ethnicity and replacing it with another are racist.

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:37 PM

Apr 2016

This applies (of course) to calls for removing Jews in the West Bank as well.

I'm not saying that Zionism is a form of racism, it doesn't work that way. I think that Zionism as an ideology and in its practical application contains strong elements of discrimination against non-Jews, which is different.

The ideology and moral justification for the legal discrimination against Israeli Arabs in Israel and the Apartheid in the West Bank is Zionism, which is why I believe that Zionism is a racist ideology. While it's not certain that all expressions of Zionism are necessarily discriminatory against non-Jews I believe that most are.

Actually, I believe that all forms of nationalism are racist to some degree, it's not just Zionism. I don't think that being opposed to all forms of ethnic discrimination is against the values of the Democratic Party.

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Peter Beinart is wrong: Palestinian hostility to Israel is frequently anti-Semitic [View all] King_David Apr 2016 OP

* cough cough * .... Israeli Apr 2016 #1

This was posted before? King_David Apr 2016 #2

Not to my knowledge KD .... Israeli Apr 2016 #3

Strange, it just opens for me. King_David Apr 2016 #4

Amazing ......... Israeli Apr 2016 #5

Must be a private inside joke , that only you get? King_David Apr 2016 #6

Must be KD ....nt. Israeli Apr 2016 #7

They must be doing something wrong leftynyc Apr 2016 #28

Which link leftynyc..... Israeli Apr 2016 #29

The one in post 22 leftynyc Apr 2016 #30

.....and KD's original link ? Israeli Apr 2016 #31

I didn't even try it leftynyc Apr 2016 #33

Opened up for me FBaggins Apr 2016 #52

Strange? Really? here you gave a reason azurnoir Apr 2016 #8

What do you think of the OP King_David Apr 2016 #9

lol you were the one going on about not having any paywall problems azurnoir Apr 2016 #10

10 posts through and all they've done is deflect. Not one thought on the OP. n/t shira Apr 2016 #11

Its an uncomfortable OP King_David Apr 2016 #12

LOL .... Israeli Apr 2016 #13

I know right. King_David Apr 2016 #14

My last post was directed at you KD .......and Israeli Apr 2016 #15

Really? King_David Apr 2016 #16

Yup really .... Israeli Apr 2016 #18

Nah , I think it's because you live in a small isolated insular Kibbutz King_David Apr 2016 #19

Enough with the complaining about the damn link... branford Apr 2016 #17

The link no longer appears to work. branford Apr 2016 #22

"Zionism is an outstandingly successful human rights movement." Little Tich Apr 2016 #20

Zionism, Jewish self-determination, is a "racist ideology?" branford Apr 2016 #21

All forms of ethnic discrimination are racist IMHO. n/t Little Tich Apr 2016 #23

So, I assume you also oppose Palestinian claims to self-determination branford Apr 2016 #24

All calls for removing a population of one ethnicity and replacing it with another are racist. Little Tich Apr 2016 #25

There is no legal discrimination against Israeli Arabs in Israel. shira Apr 2016 #40

Zionism is Racism???? King_David Apr 2016 #26

I see a lot of ethnic discrimination going on in Israel and the occupied territories, Little Tich Apr 2016 #27

That's not Zionism. Seriously, you've been here for over a year... shira Apr 2016 #32

If Israel did not adhere to Zionist values, it would become a normal democracy Little Tich Apr 2016 #35

Take away Zionism & Jews would have no homeland, nowhere to go for sanctuary.... shira Apr 2016 #38

You know leftynyc Apr 2016 #34

So why do you think that Israel has a political system that discriminates against non-Jews in Israel Little Tich Apr 2016 #36

What exactly are the racist leftynyc Apr 2016 #37

It's exactly those elements that justify making discrimination against non-Jews into Israeli law Little Tich Apr 2016 #41

Zionism leftynyc Apr 2016 #43

Everyone has equal rights in a liberal Israeli democracy. Your charges are bullshit. shira Apr 2016 #39

I've got a list of 50 discriminatory laws that says otherwise. Little Tich Apr 2016 #42

That idiocy has been debunked here before... shira Apr 2016 #44

This is what happens when people look to Mondoweiss for accurate information oberliner Apr 2016 #45

The only reason to continue posting from there is to incite hatred & bigotry. n/t shira Apr 2016 #46

So there's no discrimination against non-Jews in Israel and the occupied territories at all? Little Tich Apr 2016 #47

That's called a straw man, isn't it? oberliner Apr 2016 #49

State your position then... Little Tich Apr 2016 #50

Mondoweiss is a duplicitous blog site run by a hate-filled bigot oberliner Apr 2016 #53

It's not possible to refute a truth with half-truths and outright lies. Little Tich Apr 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author shira Apr 2016 #51

Oh, I would jump through a lot of hoops if it would enable me to refute you. Little Tich Apr 2016 #54

I deleted that last post, because I'm anxious to get into Adalah's utter idiocy.... shira Apr 2016 #55

Congratulations, you've managed to pick some of the least offensive of the discriminatory laws on Little Tich Apr 2016 #59

None of them are remotely discriminatory in any way oberliner Apr 2016 #60

I think that these 3 laws actually promote the jewishness of Israel rather than its democratic and Little Tich Apr 2016 #62

Really? So the Nordic Cross flags of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland.... shira Apr 2016 #61

Actually, the Scandinavian flags aren't very emotionally charged symbols. Little Tich Apr 2016 #63

LoL @ your double standard. That Nordic cross is a religious symbol. shira Apr 2016 #64

Adalah says Law of Return for Jews going to Israel is discriminatory.... shira May 2016 #66

Could you please then explain the legal grounds for mandatory draft for jewish citizens and only Little Tich May 2016 #72

Already did in last post. They shouldn't be required to fight fellow Arabs, family... shira May 2016 #75

Israeli Arabs: Will you serve in the Israeli army? shira May 2016 #84

One more ridiculous claim of discrimination by Adalah.... shira May 2016 #67

You've obviously never heard of DWB. Little Tich May 2016 #73

You can throw smoke screens all you want, but requiring ID's from everyone... shira May 2016 #76

Population Registry Law (1965) shira May 2016 #68

Tich...just in case you 'forgot' this one. n/t shira May 2016 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author shira May 2016 #69

Ah i see the problems sabbat hunter May 2016 #71

I think that American legal standards make a good rule of thumb for determining if a practice Little Tich May 2016 #74

How about French, Italian, or Swedish legal standards? Are they discriminatory? shira May 2016 #78

DU is mainly a forum for people who support the values of American Democratic Party. Little Tich May 2016 #79

Israel is an ethnic national state like Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland, & Italy... shira May 2016 #80

I'm not sure what form this "discrimination" would take in Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Little Tich May 2016 #81

Please. "Every single law on the Adalah list would be struck down..." shira May 2016 #82

So, apart from our disagreements over the interpretation of what practices may constitute Little Tich May 2016 #83

There is no political system sabbat hunter May 2016 #70

I once heard a bigot say that same thing about the NAACP. FBaggins Apr 2016 #56

They are both wrong, essentially. To determine the finite level of anti-Semitism within the Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #57

Good post King_David Apr 2016 #58

Rabbi Gideon D. Sylvester has a strange concept of human rights..... kayecy Apr 2016 #65