Israel/Palestine

shira

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32. That's not Zionism. Seriously, you've been here for over a year...

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:06 AM

Apr 2016

....and you still don't know what Zionism is?

It's simple.

It's the belief in a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people in Israel, their cultural & historic homeland. It is in their indigenous homeland that Jews have the basic human right of self-determination.

It's equal rights for the Jewish people. There's nothing at all racist about that.

What's racist is the anti-zionist belief in 1-state that will result in self-determination for a Palestinian majority population at the expense of the Jewish people. It's especially racist given how disastrous that situation would be for Jews (with Hamas in charge and Jewish living conditions worse than in Syria, Libya, Yemen). This 1-state endangers Jews who would have nowhere to go in order to be safe.

You should be questioning anti-zionism instead.

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Peter Beinart is wrong: Palestinian hostility to Israel is frequently anti-Semitic [View all] King_David Apr 2016 OP

* cough cough * .... Israeli Apr 2016 #1

This was posted before? King_David Apr 2016 #2

Not to my knowledge KD .... Israeli Apr 2016 #3

Strange, it just opens for me. King_David Apr 2016 #4

Amazing ......... Israeli Apr 2016 #5

Must be a private inside joke , that only you get? King_David Apr 2016 #6

Must be KD ....nt. Israeli Apr 2016 #7

They must be doing something wrong leftynyc Apr 2016 #28

Which link leftynyc..... Israeli Apr 2016 #29

The one in post 22 leftynyc Apr 2016 #30

.....and KD's original link ? Israeli Apr 2016 #31

I didn't even try it leftynyc Apr 2016 #33

Opened up for me FBaggins Apr 2016 #52

Strange? Really? here you gave a reason azurnoir Apr 2016 #8

What do you think of the OP King_David Apr 2016 #9

lol you were the one going on about not having any paywall problems azurnoir Apr 2016 #10

10 posts through and all they've done is deflect. Not one thought on the OP. n/t shira Apr 2016 #11

Its an uncomfortable OP King_David Apr 2016 #12

LOL .... Israeli Apr 2016 #13

I know right. King_David Apr 2016 #14

My last post was directed at you KD .......and Israeli Apr 2016 #15

Really? King_David Apr 2016 #16

Yup really .... Israeli Apr 2016 #18

Nah , I think it's because you live in a small isolated insular Kibbutz King_David Apr 2016 #19

Enough with the complaining about the damn link... branford Apr 2016 #17

The link no longer appears to work. branford Apr 2016 #22

"Zionism is an outstandingly successful human rights movement." Little Tich Apr 2016 #20

Zionism, Jewish self-determination, is a "racist ideology?" branford Apr 2016 #21

All forms of ethnic discrimination are racist IMHO. n/t Little Tich Apr 2016 #23

So, I assume you also oppose Palestinian claims to self-determination branford Apr 2016 #24

All calls for removing a population of one ethnicity and replacing it with another are racist. Little Tich Apr 2016 #25

There is no legal discrimination against Israeli Arabs in Israel. shira Apr 2016 #40

Zionism is Racism???? King_David Apr 2016 #26

I see a lot of ethnic discrimination going on in Israel and the occupied territories, Little Tich Apr 2016 #27

That's not Zionism. Seriously, you've been here for over a year... shira Apr 2016 #32

If Israel did not adhere to Zionist values, it would become a normal democracy Little Tich Apr 2016 #35

Take away Zionism & Jews would have no homeland, nowhere to go for sanctuary.... shira Apr 2016 #38

You know leftynyc Apr 2016 #34

So why do you think that Israel has a political system that discriminates against non-Jews in Israel Little Tich Apr 2016 #36

What exactly are the racist leftynyc Apr 2016 #37

It's exactly those elements that justify making discrimination against non-Jews into Israeli law Little Tich Apr 2016 #41

Zionism leftynyc Apr 2016 #43

Everyone has equal rights in a liberal Israeli democracy. Your charges are bullshit. shira Apr 2016 #39

I've got a list of 50 discriminatory laws that says otherwise. Little Tich Apr 2016 #42

That idiocy has been debunked here before... shira Apr 2016 #44

This is what happens when people look to Mondoweiss for accurate information oberliner Apr 2016 #45

The only reason to continue posting from there is to incite hatred & bigotry. n/t shira Apr 2016 #46

So there's no discrimination against non-Jews in Israel and the occupied territories at all? Little Tich Apr 2016 #47

That's called a straw man, isn't it? oberliner Apr 2016 #49

State your position then... Little Tich Apr 2016 #50

Mondoweiss is a duplicitous blog site run by a hate-filled bigot oberliner Apr 2016 #53

It's not possible to refute a truth with half-truths and outright lies. Little Tich Apr 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author shira Apr 2016 #51

Oh, I would jump through a lot of hoops if it would enable me to refute you. Little Tich Apr 2016 #54

I deleted that last post, because I'm anxious to get into Adalah's utter idiocy.... shira Apr 2016 #55

Congratulations, you've managed to pick some of the least offensive of the discriminatory laws on Little Tich Apr 2016 #59

None of them are remotely discriminatory in any way oberliner Apr 2016 #60

I think that these 3 laws actually promote the jewishness of Israel rather than its democratic and Little Tich Apr 2016 #62

Really? So the Nordic Cross flags of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland.... shira Apr 2016 #61

Actually, the Scandinavian flags aren't very emotionally charged symbols. Little Tich Apr 2016 #63

LoL @ your double standard. That Nordic cross is a religious symbol. shira Apr 2016 #64

Adalah says Law of Return for Jews going to Israel is discriminatory.... shira May 2016 #66

Could you please then explain the legal grounds for mandatory draft for jewish citizens and only Little Tich May 2016 #72

Already did in last post. They shouldn't be required to fight fellow Arabs, family... shira May 2016 #75

Israeli Arabs: Will you serve in the Israeli army? shira May 2016 #84

One more ridiculous claim of discrimination by Adalah.... shira May 2016 #67

You've obviously never heard of DWB. Little Tich May 2016 #73

You can throw smoke screens all you want, but requiring ID's from everyone... shira May 2016 #76

Population Registry Law (1965) shira May 2016 #68

Tich...just in case you 'forgot' this one. n/t shira May 2016 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author shira May 2016 #69

Ah i see the problems sabbat hunter May 2016 #71

I think that American legal standards make a good rule of thumb for determining if a practice Little Tich May 2016 #74

How about French, Italian, or Swedish legal standards? Are they discriminatory? shira May 2016 #78

DU is mainly a forum for people who support the values of American Democratic Party. Little Tich May 2016 #79

Israel is an ethnic national state like Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland, & Italy... shira May 2016 #80

I'm not sure what form this "discrimination" would take in Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Little Tich May 2016 #81

Please. "Every single law on the Adalah list would be struck down..." shira May 2016 #82

So, apart from our disagreements over the interpretation of what practices may constitute Little Tich May 2016 #83

There is no political system sabbat hunter May 2016 #70

I once heard a bigot say that same thing about the NAACP. FBaggins Apr 2016 #56

They are both wrong, essentially. To determine the finite level of anti-Semitism within the Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #57

Good post King_David Apr 2016 #58

Rabbi Gideon D. Sylvester has a strange concept of human rights..... kayecy Apr 2016 #65