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In reply to the discussion: Peter Beinart is wrong: Palestinian hostility to Israel is frequently anti-Semitic [View all]Little Tich
(6,171 posts)48. It's not possible to refute a truth with half-truths and outright lies.
I did take a look at your links and the DU thread. Interestingly, I wasn't convinced by a single argument in favor of having different laws for non-Jews or even denying their existence. It was all complete hogwash, and quite a lot of it too. Unfortunately, it was too much to refute in one go, but I can assure you that none of it will stand up to scrutiny. Interestingly, I didn't find anything about why it's not discriminatory to reserve 93% of all land in Israel for Jewish use only. I guess some turds can't be polished.
If you actually believe that there's no discrimination going on Israel or in the occupied territories, just pick a single one of the discriminatory laws below and try to tell me how it's not discriminatory:
Increased Governance and Raising the Qualifying Election Threshold Bill to Amend Basic Law: The Government (1160)
Civil Wrongs Law - Amendment No. 8 (Liability of the State)
Criminal Procedure Law - Interrogating Suspects - Amendment No. 6
Income Tax Ordinance - Amendment No. 191
Israeli Prisons Ordinance Amendment No. 43 - Prisoner-Attorney Meetings
Israeli Prisons Ordinance - Amendment No. 40 (Meetings with Lawyers)
"Anti-Boycott Law" - Prevention of Damage to the State of Israel through Boycott
Foreign Property Ownership - Israel Lands Law (Amendment No. 3)
"Admissions Committees Law" - Cooperative Societies Ordinance - Amendment No. 8
Citizenship Law - Amendment No. 10
"Nakba Law" - Amendment No. 40 to the Budgets Foundations Law
"Foreign Government Funding Law" - Law on Disclosure Requirements for Recipients of Support from a Foreign State Entity
Law to Strip Payments from a Current or Former Member of Knesset due to a Crime
Extension of Detention - Criminal Procedure Law (Suspects of Security Offenses) (Temporary Order) - Amendment No. 2
"Negev Individual Settlements" - Negev Development Authority Law - Amendment No. 4
Absorption of Discharged Soldiers Law - Amendment No. 12
Land (Acquisition for Public Purposes) Ordinance - Amendment No. 10
"Pardon Law" or "Amnesty Law" - Termination of Proceedings and Deletion of Records in the Disengagement Plan Law
Regional Councils Law (Date of General Elections) Special Amendment No. 6
Israel Land Administration Law - Amendment No. 7
National Priority Areas - The Economic Efficiency Law - Legislative Amendments for Implementing the Economic Plan for 2009-2010
Child Vaccinations and Child Allowances - Economic Efficiency Law
Absorption of Discharged Soldiers Law - Amendment No. 7: Benefits for Discharged Soldiers
Criminal Procedure Law - Interrogating Suspects - Amendment No. 4
Criminal Procedure Law (Detainee Suspected of Security Offence) (Temporary Order)
"Ban on Family Unification" - Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order)
Law of Political Parties - Amendment No. 12
Use of Hebrew Date Law
Knesset Law
Basic Law: The Government
Second Authority for Television and Radio Law
The Golan Heights Law
Interpretation Law
Public Lands Law (Eviction of Squatters)
Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel
Foundations of Law Act
Religious Jewish Services Law
Law of Yad Yitzhak Ben-Zvi (1969) and Law of Mikve Israel Agricultural School (1976)
Protection of Holy Sites Law
National Planning and Building Law -Limitation of Water, Electricity and Telephone
Broadcasting Authority Law
Basic Law: Israel Lands
Israel Land Administration Law
Basic Law: The Knesset
Jewish National Fund Law
State Education Law
Land Acquisition Law (Actions and Compensation)
World Zionist Organization-Jewish Agency (Status) Law
Entry into Israel Law
Citizenship Law
Law of Return
Absentees Property Law
State Stamp Law
Flag and Emblem Law
Law and Government Ordinance, Article 18A
Defense Regulations (Times of Emergency), Regulation 125 (Closed Zones)
Trade with the Enemy Ordinance
Civil Wrongs Law - Amendment No. 8 (Liability of the State)
Criminal Procedure Law - Interrogating Suspects - Amendment No. 6
Income Tax Ordinance - Amendment No. 191
Israeli Prisons Ordinance Amendment No. 43 - Prisoner-Attorney Meetings
Israeli Prisons Ordinance - Amendment No. 40 (Meetings with Lawyers)
"Anti-Boycott Law" - Prevention of Damage to the State of Israel through Boycott
Foreign Property Ownership - Israel Lands Law (Amendment No. 3)
"Admissions Committees Law" - Cooperative Societies Ordinance - Amendment No. 8
Citizenship Law - Amendment No. 10
"Nakba Law" - Amendment No. 40 to the Budgets Foundations Law
"Foreign Government Funding Law" - Law on Disclosure Requirements for Recipients of Support from a Foreign State Entity
Law to Strip Payments from a Current or Former Member of Knesset due to a Crime
Extension of Detention - Criminal Procedure Law (Suspects of Security Offenses) (Temporary Order) - Amendment No. 2
"Negev Individual Settlements" - Negev Development Authority Law - Amendment No. 4
Absorption of Discharged Soldiers Law - Amendment No. 12
Land (Acquisition for Public Purposes) Ordinance - Amendment No. 10
"Pardon Law" or "Amnesty Law" - Termination of Proceedings and Deletion of Records in the Disengagement Plan Law
Regional Councils Law (Date of General Elections) Special Amendment No. 6
Israel Land Administration Law - Amendment No. 7
National Priority Areas - The Economic Efficiency Law - Legislative Amendments for Implementing the Economic Plan for 2009-2010
Child Vaccinations and Child Allowances - Economic Efficiency Law
Absorption of Discharged Soldiers Law - Amendment No. 7: Benefits for Discharged Soldiers
Criminal Procedure Law - Interrogating Suspects - Amendment No. 4
Criminal Procedure Law (Detainee Suspected of Security Offence) (Temporary Order)
"Ban on Family Unification" - Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order)
Law of Political Parties - Amendment No. 12
Use of Hebrew Date Law
Knesset Law
Basic Law: The Government
Second Authority for Television and Radio Law
The Golan Heights Law
Interpretation Law
Public Lands Law (Eviction of Squatters)
Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel
Foundations of Law Act
Religious Jewish Services Law
Law of Yad Yitzhak Ben-Zvi (1969) and Law of Mikve Israel Agricultural School (1976)
Protection of Holy Sites Law
National Planning and Building Law -Limitation of Water, Electricity and Telephone
Broadcasting Authority Law
Basic Law: Israel Lands
Israel Land Administration Law
Basic Law: The Knesset
Jewish National Fund Law
State Education Law
Land Acquisition Law (Actions and Compensation)
World Zionist Organization-Jewish Agency (Status) Law
Entry into Israel Law
Citizenship Law
Law of Return
Absentees Property Law
State Stamp Law
Flag and Emblem Law
Law and Government Ordinance, Article 18A
Defense Regulations (Times of Emergency), Regulation 125 (Closed Zones)
Trade with the Enemy Ordinance
Source: http://www.adalah.org/en/law/index
Note: the list of Adalah laws includes a few laws that are not yet active and to be fair to you, I haven't included them. Anyway, pick one of the above, and I will cheerfully rip your argumentation to shreds.
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Peter Beinart is wrong: Palestinian hostility to Israel is frequently anti-Semitic [View all]
King_David
Apr 2016
OP
All calls for removing a population of one ethnicity and replacing it with another are racist.
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#25
I see a lot of ethnic discrimination going on in Israel and the occupied territories,
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#27
If Israel did not adhere to Zionist values, it would become a normal democracy
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#35
So why do you think that Israel has a political system that discriminates against non-Jews in Israel
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#36
It's exactly those elements that justify making discrimination against non-Jews into Israeli law
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#41
Everyone has equal rights in a liberal Israeli democracy. Your charges are bullshit.
shira
Apr 2016
#39
The only reason to continue posting from there is to incite hatred & bigotry. n/t
shira
Apr 2016
#46
So there's no discrimination against non-Jews in Israel and the occupied territories at all?
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#47
Oh, I would jump through a lot of hoops if it would enable me to refute you.
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#54
I deleted that last post, because I'm anxious to get into Adalah's utter idiocy....
shira
Apr 2016
#55
Congratulations, you've managed to pick some of the least offensive of the discriminatory laws on
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#59
I think that these 3 laws actually promote the jewishness of Israel rather than its democratic and
Little Tich
Apr 2016
#62
Really? So the Nordic Cross flags of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland....
shira
Apr 2016
#61
Could you please then explain the legal grounds for mandatory draft for jewish citizens and only
Little Tich
May 2016
#72
Already did in last post. They shouldn't be required to fight fellow Arabs, family...
shira
May 2016
#75
I think that American legal standards make a good rule of thumb for determining if a practice
Little Tich
May 2016
#74
DU is mainly a forum for people who support the values of American Democratic Party.
Little Tich
May 2016
#79
Israel is an ethnic national state like Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland, & Italy...
shira
May 2016
#80
I'm not sure what form this "discrimination" would take in Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland,
Little Tich
May 2016
#81
So, apart from our disagreements over the interpretation of what practices may constitute
Little Tich
May 2016
#83
They are both wrong, essentially. To determine the finite level of anti-Semitism within the
Jefferson23
Apr 2016
#57