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In reply to the discussion: Israel: 'Some NGOs are seen as the enemy from the inside' [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)12. Look at Amnesty's response to a question asking what Israel can do...
....to end the occupation in Gaza:
http://volokh.com/2010/06/03/telling-interview-with-the-director-amnesty-israel/
Q. What is required of Israel to stop it from being an occupying force under Amnestys definition?
A. That there will be another sovereign power and that the border crossings to Gaza not be under Israeli control. Thats the meaning of occupation, theres no other sovereign power there, theres no control over the border crossings for free movement of people and goods and thats why Gaza is under occupation.
Q. Is an exit by the Navy from Gazas waters an end to the occupation?
A. No.
Q. Is opening the border crossings with Israel ending the occupation?
A. Thats a step towards ending the occupation .
Q. So what actions must Israel take? You say that the occupation ends if Israel opens the crossings, so if the occupation ends, Israel needs to close the borders since Gaza is defined as an enemy state. Theres a logical contradiction here.
A. I dont understand where the contradiction is.
Q. The border between Israel and Lebanon is closed since Lebanon is an enemy state. Youre claiming that Israel needs to open the borders to Gaza and then the occupation will end. And then Israel will have to close the crossings.
A. Ill ask you another question. Can Lebanon control the transfer of goods and people to Lebanon not opposite Israel but opposite other countries?
Q. So the problem is with the control by sea and air. If the seas are open there is no occupation?
A. Of course, had it been possible to enter Gaza freely through the air, by sea and land, that would certainly be one component of the occupation ending.
Q. What are all the components to end the occupation? Amnesty does not present a plan in which Israel stops the occupation. It says that Israel needs to stop the occupation and deepen the occupation by opening the borders. I dont comprehend that.
A. Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts.
Q. Its not conflict solving. Its ending the occupation. Amnesty says that Gaza is under occupation. According to Amnesty, what actions must Israel take in order to stop the occupation?
A. One of the things which need to be done is to allow the passage of people and goods through the air, the sea and land. Thats one component. There are other components related to agreements of the international community since Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts.
A. That there will be another sovereign power and that the border crossings to Gaza not be under Israeli control. Thats the meaning of occupation, theres no other sovereign power there, theres no control over the border crossings for free movement of people and goods and thats why Gaza is under occupation.
Q. Is an exit by the Navy from Gazas waters an end to the occupation?
A. No.
Q. Is opening the border crossings with Israel ending the occupation?
A. Thats a step towards ending the occupation .
Q. So what actions must Israel take? You say that the occupation ends if Israel opens the crossings, so if the occupation ends, Israel needs to close the borders since Gaza is defined as an enemy state. Theres a logical contradiction here.
A. I dont understand where the contradiction is.
Q. The border between Israel and Lebanon is closed since Lebanon is an enemy state. Youre claiming that Israel needs to open the borders to Gaza and then the occupation will end. And then Israel will have to close the crossings.
A. Ill ask you another question. Can Lebanon control the transfer of goods and people to Lebanon not opposite Israel but opposite other countries?
Q. So the problem is with the control by sea and air. If the seas are open there is no occupation?
A. Of course, had it been possible to enter Gaza freely through the air, by sea and land, that would certainly be one component of the occupation ending.
Q. What are all the components to end the occupation? Amnesty does not present a plan in which Israel stops the occupation. It says that Israel needs to stop the occupation and deepen the occupation by opening the borders. I dont comprehend that.
A. Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts.
Q. Its not conflict solving. Its ending the occupation. Amnesty says that Gaza is under occupation. According to Amnesty, what actions must Israel take in order to stop the occupation?
A. One of the things which need to be done is to allow the passage of people and goods through the air, the sea and land. Thats one component. There are other components related to agreements of the international community since Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts.
And it goes on....
There's nothing Israel can do to end the occupation in Gaza according to Amnesty.
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