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In reply to the discussion: We’re American Jewish Historians. This Is Why We’ve Left Zionism Behind [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)48. Just contextualizing the situation as Israel has been under attack since 1948....
No other western liberal democracy under such adversity, with enemies sworn to its destruction & the mass murder of all its civilians, would act any better WRT civil and human rights than Israel.
America actually put Japanese and German American citizens in internment camps during WW2 while the British put up to 30,000 Holocaust survivors trying to go to Israel in internment camps located in Cyprus. Holocaust survivors! They were released in 1949. Classy move there. More recently in the 1970's the Brits interned a couple thousand Irish.
I personally think that there's no moral justification whatsoever for the attitudes revealed in the Pew poll and elsewhere. Those attitudes are wrong, regardless of whether they're expressed by Israelis, Palestinians, Germans or whatever.
79% of Israeli Jews believe in preferential treatment, but what does that mean? When more than 9/10 say Israel is vital to the longterm survival of the Jewish people - and it is - is that the preferential treatment? Allowing Jews law of return - is that the preferential treatment?
Anyway, I fail to see the point in comparing levels of slavery in Israel with other countries, when my post was about racist attitudes in Israel. I think that the criticism against Zionism leveled in the OP is justified, and that the racist attitudes against Arabs is part of that justification.
You wrote about Israel being the most racist democracy in the world, and you were proven wrong.
As to expelling Arabs...which Arabs & from where? It doesn't say.
Besides, all BDS'ers support a Gaza & W.Bank that are emptied of all Jews. Hell, BDS doesn't even believe the Jews are a people (nation) deserving of self-determination. That's in the actual BDS platform, which is racist. So it's quite hypocritical for a BDS supporter like yourself making claims of racism against Israel, don't you think?
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We’re American Jewish Historians. This Is Why We’ve Left Zionism Behind [View all]
Little Tich
Aug 2016
OP
The American Jews Who've Exchanged Their Utopian Myths About Israel for Demonic Ones
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#1
Hyperbole a little? "Demonic ones?" You sound like an ill-educated evangelical christian.
Nitram
Aug 2016
#3
"It is hard to know whether to be more offended by their arrogance or their idiocy."
shira
Aug 2016
#2
The historians argue that Israel should become a democracy instead of "a Jewish State."
Nitram
Aug 2016
#4
I see that NetaNyahu has threateneed to shoot "stone throwers," or sentence them to 20-year terms.
Nitram
Aug 2016
#30
You seem to be arguing that Israeli racism and discrimination towards Arabs is justified?
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#35
Just contextualizing the situation as Israel has been under attack since 1948....
shira
Aug 2016
#48
I currently live in Australia, so I'm well aware of Australian racist attitudes.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#37
I think it's more likely that it's Israel's treatment of Palestinians that's the main cause for
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#22
Of course it is. The vicious, racist, genocidal hatreds of Palestinian leaders....
shira
Aug 2016
#56
Some people look at the right of return as a right to return to their ancestral homeland,
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#65
You believe the LoR is racist because you support the destruction of the Jewish state....
shira
Aug 2016
#66
Ah. So what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in the name of Zionism would be considered racism if
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#69
I think that all attempts to refute the OP have failed sofar. Hasia Diner and Marjorie Feld are
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#39
I think the OP has a valid point when it comes to Jewish communities not in Israel.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#51
Perhaps the Israeli government should spend more time protecting children than censoring twitter.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#73
You should put all your posts into a blog "israeycool -watch" would be a good name...
King_David
Aug 2016
#33