Israel/Palestine

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

71. I feel that the OP is running out of steam.

Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:19 PM

Aug 2016

My impression of this discussion here and elsewhere is that the OP is really hard to refute. The relevant arguments have been presented and countered, and I think that if some people agree with the OP, perhaps Zionism isn't for them.

Over to you...

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

77 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

We’re American Jewish Historians. This Is Why We’ve Left Zionism Behind [View all] Little Tich Aug 2016 OP

The American Jews Who've Exchanged Their Utopian Myths About Israel for Demonic Ones Little Tich Aug 2016 #1

Hyperbole a little? "Demonic ones?" You sound like an ill-educated evangelical christian. Nitram Aug 2016 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Aug 2016 #20

"It is hard to know whether to be more offended by their arrogance or their idiocy." shira Aug 2016 #2

The historians argue that Israel should become a democracy instead of "a Jewish State." Nitram Aug 2016 #4

Israel is a democracy oberliner Aug 2016 #7

Israel does indeed 'claim' to be a democracy. Nitram Aug 2016 #9

Israel doesn't have checkpoints within Israel. aranthus Aug 2016 #10

Not legally. But in all practical terms, they are israeli citizens. DetlefK Aug 2016 #52

You don't know what you're writing about. Areas A & B of the W.Bank.... shira Aug 2016 #54

Do they have the authority to arrest Westbank-settlers? DetlefK Aug 2016 #55

Not in areas A and B they don't, because settlers don't live there. shira Aug 2016 #57

Just answer this: DetlefK Aug 2016 #61

You're pretending there's no difference between areas A,B,C.... shira Aug 2016 #62

Let's try this for the last time: DetlefK Aug 2016 #63

Finally....it's now about area C and I admit that's your strongest argument. shira Aug 2016 #64

The historians are arguing that Israel shouldn't be Jewish. aranthus Aug 2016 #11

No state that is tied to a religion can be a true democracy. Nitram Aug 2016 #12

Bull. aranthus Aug 2016 #15

Try driving through an Orthodox community in Israel on Saturday. Nitram Aug 2016 #16

Which has nothing to do with whether the state is democratic.n/t aranthus Aug 2016 #18

In a democracy the rule of law is paramount. Nitram Aug 2016 #25

Where is your proof that they are "allowed"? aranthus Aug 2016 #29

I see that NetaNyahu has threateneed to shoot "stone throwers," or sentence them to 20-year terms. Nitram Aug 2016 #30

The question is whether racism is in line with democratic values. Little Tich Aug 2016 #5

Israel is one of the least racist countries in the world oberliner Aug 2016 #8

Oberliner, on what do you base the claim that Israeel is "ne of the least Nitram Aug 2016 #14

Israel is the most racist democratic country I know of. Little Tich Aug 2016 #21

If you ignore all threats Israel has faced since 1948... shira Aug 2016 #31

You seem to be arguing that Israeli racism and discrimination towards Arabs is justified? Little Tich Aug 2016 #35

Just contextualizing the situation as Israel has been under attack since 1948.... shira Aug 2016 #48

Perhaps we should blame anti-Semitism on "the Jews" too? Little Tich Aug 2016 #49

It's not 100% due to racism. It's a matter of survival. shira Aug 2016 #53

Really? Have you ever been to Australia? King_David Aug 2016 #34

I currently live in Australia, so I'm well aware of Australian racist attitudes. Little Tich Aug 2016 #37

I've been to both Israel and Australia, and no , it's not even close . King_David Aug 2016 #42

Being a Jewish State isn't racist. aranthus Aug 2016 #13

No, but killing and maiming thousands of Palestinian civilians is. Nitram Aug 2016 #17

You are equating what Israel does to defend itself aranthus Aug 2016 #19

Nazi Germany, as you probaly know, invaded Russia with thousands of tanks and Nitram Aug 2016 #26

And the Arabs have made war on Israel for almost 70 years. aranthus Aug 2016 #28

I think it's more likely that it's Israel's treatment of Palestinians that's the main cause for Little Tich Aug 2016 #22

Based on what? aranthus Aug 2016 #27

Gee, thanks making my arguments for me... Little Tich Aug 2016 #38

Just as I thought, you don't have one. aranthus Aug 2016 #45

I don't think the OP is a straw man. Little Tich Aug 2016 #50

Of course it is. The vicious, racist, genocidal hatreds of Palestinian leaders.... shira Aug 2016 #56

They're bigoted towards religious Jews as well... shira Aug 2016 #58

More silliness from the OP... shira Aug 2016 #59

Some people look at the right of return as a right to return to their ancestral homeland, Little Tich Aug 2016 #65

You believe the LoR is racist because you support the destruction of the Jewish state.... shira Aug 2016 #66

So racism is a necessary component of Zionism then? Little Tich Aug 2016 #67

Zionism = Indigenous Jewish people reclaiming their country, self-rule..... shira Aug 2016 #68

Ah. So what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in the name of Zionism would be considered racism if Little Tich Aug 2016 #69

That's the BDS movement, thinking their goal of destroying the Jewish state.... shira Aug 2016 #70

I feel that the OP is running out of steam. Little Tich Aug 2016 #71

The OP has been refuted as utter idiocy throughout the discussion here. n/t shira Aug 2016 #74

Law of Return is only racist when Israel does it, right? shira Aug 2016 #75

It's a good question and you deserve an answer. Little Tich Aug 2016 #76

Israel's LoR policy is no different than other western nations.... shira Aug 2016 #77

BDS calls for the destruction of the Jewish state & supports terror.... shira Aug 2016 #47

Fascinating follow up to your OP Little Tich..... Israeli Aug 2016 #6

This is fun... Little Tich Aug 2016 #24

Diner & Feld are being lambasted for being idiots. shira Aug 2016 #32

I think that all attempts to refute the OP have failed sofar. Hasia Diner and Marjorie Feld are Little Tich Aug 2016 #39

It's an idiotic article. Here's an example... shira Aug 2016 #46

I think the OP has a valid point when it comes to Jewish communities not in Israel. Little Tich Aug 2016 #51

More than 9 in 10 Jews worldwide have a strong connection with Israel... shira Aug 2016 #60

For sure ...... Israeli Aug 2016 #40

Did Gilad Erdan just imply that Haaretz is a threat to Israel's democracy? Little Tich Aug 2016 #43

LOL......... Israeli Aug 2016 #44

Fun could be over ... Israeli Aug 2016 #72

Perhaps the Israeli government should spend more time protecting children than censoring twitter. Little Tich Aug 2016 #73

You should put all your posts into a blog "israeycool -watch" would be a good name... King_David Aug 2016 #33

You are welcome KD .... Israeli Aug 2016 #41

How Did Zionism Become a Dirty Word on Campus? Little Tich Aug 2016 #23

The ‘New York Times’ is dead set on marginalizing Jewish anti-Zionism Little Tich Aug 2016 #36