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RZM

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5. It is apples and organges, I admit that

Reply to truedelphi (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:04 PM

Dec 2011

I'm not an expert on Soviet military protocols, but I imagine they DID call for shooting down an invading plane. Apparently Soviet fighters spotted Rust, but never got permission to fire. As I mentioned in the post above, they did shoot down a passenger liner in the far east of the country four years before, which caused a major international incident. Given that, it's logical to assume they would shoot down a rinky-dink single engine plane that was headed for Moscow.

Aside from Flight 93, we're probably in agreement. The point I'm making here is that it's possible for rogue planes to be in the air and not be shot down. I doubt the Soviet military was in on some conspiracy to let Rust embarrass them.

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Regarding the 'heaviest defended airspace' claim. Has anyone here ever brought up Matthias Rust? [View all] RZM Dec 2011 OP

Not applicable - U.S. officials had a Security advisory stating attacks by airliners were imminent.. T S Justly Dec 2011 #1

Imminent where? n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #3

You're asking the wrong department. (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #6

You are aware the United States is a rather large place? n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #7

NORAD, Bolo. Or Richard Meyers. They were aiming our guns, then. (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #8

"Security advisory stating attacks by airliners were imminent" -- your words. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #9

It is your "imminent where" the Joint Chiefs and NORAD, et al had the duty to know or surmise ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #10

Do you even have a source for this belief of a security alert? Link? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #11

I don't like to be pressed or squeezed ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #12

Well, don't post what you can't back up and you'll not have that problem. n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #13

Get a dog, Bolo. Not only can you order it around ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #15

I would never even think about kicking a dog, T S Justly. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #16

Well, then, I'll kick this dog (nt) (nr) T S Justly Dec 2011 #18

Tell Bolo this BeFree Dec 2011 #21

Why don't you tell me yourself? Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #22

The US was the target BeFree Dec 2011 #23

Yes, and as I pointed out above, BeFree Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #24

I asked you a simple question BeFree Dec 2011 #25

I refuse to participate in your smear tactics. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #26

No. bushco is not innocent BeFree Dec 2011 #27

What is Bushco? n/t zappaman Dec 2011 #29

At least nine PDBs from April to July had titles warning of al Qaeda attacks. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #30

The Soviets had all damn day to shoot down Rust RZM Dec 2011 #4

The Conspirators had 31 days to ready a response to ... T S Justly Dec 2011 #14

KAL flight 902 was shot down in 1978 over the USSR. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #31

You are comparing apples to oranges. truedelphi Dec 2011 #2

It is apples and organges, I admit that RZM Dec 2011 #5

Your logic doesn't follow... CJCRANE Dec 2011 #17

That's not how the Soviets usually operated RZM Dec 2011 #28

I did think it was interesting to reflect on Rust and his attempt to truedelphi Dec 2011 #19

I'm not sure, actually RZM Dec 2011 #20

The differences among detection, interception, and shootdown are distinctions Ace Acme Dec 2013 #32