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33. FDR in many ways WAS an extremist - because extreme measures were required in 1933.

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:06 PM

May 2017

FDR selected a Socialist as his vice president. He wanted to keep Henry Wallace on the ticket in 1944, but was too weak to fight the capitalists who knew FDR was dying and maneuvered a naive Harry Truman into position. Truman became president and used nuclear weapons. FDR never would have. Truman created the FBI. FDR never would have. The military-industrial complex thereafter guided Harry straight into the Cold War. Nobody in the modern era can be as bold as FDR until there's no longer a ruling military-industrial complex.

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The far left is still out of touch with black voters. [View all] pnwmom May 2017 OP

Generalizations. David__77 May 2017 #1

Mc Carthyite? Well we are talking about people demonizing capitalism in ALL it's forms... bettyellen May 2017 #9

Which groups and people are these? David__77 May 2017 #10

ones who claim no difference if trump or hillary is president or that trump would be better JI7 May 2017 #11

I suppose there are some of those. David__77 May 2017 #14

The ones I'm talking about are not concerned with actual socialism and equality JI7 May 2017 #16

The groups you mention aren't binary-thinking ideologues. emulatorloo May 2017 #21

Exactly, because I can assure you I am far left, much further left than almost ANYONE here Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #61

Idiots like Susan Sarandon, Glen Greenwald and fringe lefties - fake ones that bettyellen May 2017 #12

Jane Fonda too? David__77 May 2017 #19

Did you miss the names of journalists and pundits for some reason? bettyellen May 2017 #20

I'm not familiar with Greenwald. David__77 May 2017 #23

Greenwald is a major figure for you not to be aware of. Interesting. pnwmom May 2017 #24

I have heard of them. David__77 May 2017 #25

You're not from the US then, right? n/t pnwmom May 2017 #28

I'm from the US. David__77 May 2017 #30

You didn't know about Greenwald and you seem vague about Snowden and Stein. pnwmom May 2017 #32

Ok. David__77 May 2017 #34

I think a lot of people repeated the crap he wrote vaguely "knowing" it was being shared bettyellen May 2017 #35

I think there's definitely an "anti-US" faction. David__77 May 2017 #36

I think what we saw was a loose group of people - many who were nothing more than HRC haters.... bettyellen May 2017 #37

Why would you bring up Fonda's ancient activism now, LOL? bettyellen May 2017 #26

It was misplaced. David__77 May 2017 #29

Pls, quit while you're behind. brush May 2017 #57

So silly! emulatorloo May 2017 #22

Jane Fonda supported Hillary. RandySF May 2017 #39

After this, therefore because of this? LanternWaste May 2017 #65

One individual JustAnotherGen May 2017 #48

oh the ID politics spiel told us all we needed to know. JHan May 2017 #2

The far left are more similar to the far right than they are to the vast majority of Dems. Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #3

Except if you look at the polls of where Americans stand on the issues .... Zen Democrat May 2017 #64

MMMMMM-divisive issue for no real reason.... Boxerfan May 2017 #4

People post articles all the time here.... get over it. bettyellen May 2017 #7

Attacking Obama for something all the modern Presidents have done is certainly divisive. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #8

Posting news stories and editorials is what fuels DU n/t emulatorloo May 2017 #17

That's quite the creative and unsupported allegation. LanternWaste May 2017 #66

And they love worship $FDR$ without a smidge of thought. bettyellen May 2017 #5

He inherited his fortune so of course that's more deserving than someone who has to work for it. pnwmom May 2017 #13

I've started to think that hard work means nothing to some people.... bettyellen May 2017 #18

+1 And the bonafides should add up to something fairly significant before elected POTUS. fleabiscuit May 2017 #45

Yes! When I hear people float names like Zuckerberg or Cuban for fucks sake... bettyellen May 2017 #46

So true. Inherited wealth is often worshipped on the far left delisen Jun 2017 #77

FDR in many ways WAS an extremist - because extreme measures were required in 1933. Zen Democrat May 2017 #33

That's a great example of the fractious thinking I simply cannot wrap my brain around. LanternWaste May 2017 #67

yup. another example is michael moore JI7 May 2017 #6

A few years ago in his divorce proceeding his wealth came out -- more than $50 million then. pnwmom May 2017 #15

I'm a leftie, and confused over the criticism of Obama being well-paid for speeches. Zen Democrat May 2017 #27

Exactly. In a world where Hilary Duff can command $500 K for a speech, pnwmom May 2017 #31

thanks, I was beginning to worry about what a leftie is mdbl May 2017 #52

Bernie is the only figure on the left I've seen criticize Obama for this. RandySF May 2017 #38

elizabeth warren has also and the usual young turks and similar types JI7 May 2017 #41

MAkes sense given I believe Bernie has an agenda that if known would shock the hell Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF May 2017 #40

I see no reason to criticise Obama WellDarn May 2017 #42

Another divide and conquer post kimbutgar May 2017 #43

Don't you think criticizing Obama needlessly is divide and conquer? n/t pnwmom May 2017 #44

Yep and I it's not divide and conquer JustAnotherGen May 2017 #49

So Trump Voters who voted for an openly racist , bigoted piece of shit are not Racists JI7 May 2017 #47

Yep JustAnotherGen May 2017 #50

My thoughts as well nt Quayblue May 2017 #68

+ a billion Number23 May 2017 #70

+1 So you noticed that ? lunasun Jun 2017 #78

This right here JustAnotherGen May 2017 #51

He not only withstood those attacks, he withstood them with GRACE pnwmom May 2017 #53

Well said. I especially like: "Ain't no takesy backsey on that." brush May 2017 #58

OMG do they hate you, and even me for not hating you. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #63

I'm pretty damned far left -- IndianaDave May 2017 #54

+1000. nt pnwmom May 2017 #55

YES! brush May 2017 #59

Trump is in the White House lapucelle May 2017 #56

The far left is also out of touch with other groups in the base Gothmog May 2017 #60

The far left and the far right are cut from the same cloth. They both hate any improvements to Number23 May 2017 #69

Boom! JustAnotherGen May 2017 #71

Ah the globalization canard, yes! I've been reading a Reddit group called NeoLiberals and it's bettyellen Jun 2017 #72

I want to be in a time in which *everyone* - regardless of race, gender, education, or anything else YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #73

I may have spoken a bit harshly but it is hard not to see the similarities between the two groups Number23 Jun 2017 #75

the truth of the matter is: heaven05 Jun 2017 #74

Dems are a bunch of different groups. The right is unified behind tax cuts for the rich. sharedvalues Jun 2017 #76

The attack's complaint that Obama was held to a Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #79