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MineralMan

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27. Mysticism and Visions Have a Long History in the Catholic Church.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 09:30 AM
Oct 2018

They are closely related. Belief that visions are more than hallucinations is part of RCC Doctrine. Here's an except from this link:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15477a.htm

Corporeal vision
Corporeal vision is a supernatural manifestation of an object to the eyes of the body. It may take place in two ways: either a figure really present strikes the retina and there determines the physical phenomenon of the vision, or an agent superior to man directly modifies the visual organ and produces in the composite a sensation equivalent to that which an external object would produce. According to the authorities the first is the usual manner; it corresponds to the invincible belief of the seer, e.g. Bernadette at Lourdes; it implies a minimum of miraculous intervention if the vision is prolonged or if it is common to several persons. But the presence of an external figure may be understood in two ways. Sometimes the very substance of the being or the person will be presented; sometimes it will be merely an appearance consisting in a certain arrangement of luminous rays. The first may be true of living persons and even, it would seem, of the now glorious bodies of Christ and the Blessed Virgin, which by the eminently probable supernatural phenomenon of multilocation may become present to men without leaving the abode of glory. The second is realized in the corporeal apparition of the unresurrected dead or of pure spirits.


The short explanation of how these "corporeal visions" occur is: "God Did It!" Like so many parts of religious doctrine, what is not explainable through natural phenomena is explained by references to God. A great deal of language is used to mask the true "corpounreal" nature of such visions. The expectation is that the reader will accept the supernatural, god-caused reason for such visions.

The Catholic Encyclopedia I linked to above is a rich source of exhaustive, imaginative, verbose, and erudite explanations of what is not so. I encourage people to consult it to discover just how far removed from reality Catholic doctrine truly is. And people actually believe this nonsense, or claim to believe it.
uh. Moses Brainstormy Sep 2018 #1
Yes, I suppose not. Not Adam nor Eve, either. MineralMan Sep 2018 #2
nor Abraham Brainstormy Sep 2018 #4
It's possible Moses and Abraham existed marylandblue Sep 2018 #11
There were no Jewish slaves edhopper Sep 2018 #19
Part of the Moses story was based on the Story of Sargon of Akkad. marylandblue Sep 2018 #21
the portrayal of slavery in Egypt in the Penteteuch edhopper Sep 2018 #22
In what way does the portrayal of slavery in the Bible marylandblue Sep 2018 #23
We are getting into some wide ranging archeology now edhopper Oct 2018 #24
Yes it is wide ranging archeology marylandblue Oct 2018 #25
We must also remember how much of the early Bible stories edhopper Oct 2018 #35
We are told it's all "metaphorical" Major Nikon Sep 2018 #18
Blind man's bluff: "I believe it because I can't see it." live2011 Sep 2018 #3
Hold on a second... TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #5
Can you see and touch your cat? Then it is real, and must MineralMan Sep 2018 #6
There's a reason Major Nikon Sep 2018 #20
That's exactly what my grandmother said Butterflylady Sep 2018 #7
Very astute of you as a child. MineralMan Sep 2018 #8
whole earth populated by one incestuous family Brainstormy Sep 2018 #15
This fixation on a deity distracts us from the actual profundity and Mystery of nature DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #9
"Produndity" - I like that. It evokes the word "dunce" for me. MineralMan Sep 2018 #10
"Nobody has seen any deities " Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2018 #12
Our Lady of Fatima Cartoonist Sep 2018 #13
Oh, for pete's sake! All sorts of people see visions. MineralMan Sep 2018 #16
People talking to God Ron Obvious Sep 2018 #14
Henry IV Part 1 is my favorite Shakespeare play of all time. MineralMan Sep 2018 #17
Recently spent some time in cilla4progress Oct 2018 #26
Mysticism and Visions Have a Long History in the Catholic Church. MineralMan Oct 2018 #27
yeah.... well it's a lot simpler Locrian Oct 2018 #28
Well, ingestion of substances is not required to "see things." MineralMan Oct 2018 #29
dreams are not really the same Locrian Oct 2018 #30
You also have to add in the tradition of fasting and long hours praying marylandblue Oct 2018 #31
I suppose lots of things can lead to "visions" and "apparitions." MineralMan Oct 2018 #34
Earth shattering zipplewrath Oct 2018 #32
I made no claim of that kind. MineralMan Oct 2018 #33
Came up out of long ago favorite. aka-chmeee Oct 2018 #36
Hey, I'm a real cool cat, for sure. MineralMan Oct 2018 #37
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