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TwistOneUp

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30. Without trying to sound like an apologist...

Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:51 PM

Oct 2018

Being female, I shun patriarchies. Ditto matriarchies. Gotta be a democratic merit-based system or I ain't playing. Having said that...

Yes, Muhammed *was* a firm believer in the patriarchy because he was part of it. We don't have to be that way now, and thank the universe we are Dems and not supporters of a patriarchy, and so we don't have a patriarchy! But to go back 1500 years and say that any one person - prophet or not - should have ended the patriarchical aspects of his entire civilization, of his society and of his belief system is putting a huge burden on that person. The inertia of their entire civ, as well as pressure he must have felt when establishing Islam was enormous.

What's more telling is that over the ensuing 1500 years, no one else has tried to change it. This is the result of conservatism. It's great if you're part of the ruling class. For the others, maybe not so much.

"It's good to be King!"
--Mel Brooks, Blazing Saddles

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Last Sermon of Prophet Muhammad Addressing Social Justice and Gender [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2018 OP

In which women are the property of men Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #1

I realize that posts such as this "ruin" this group for you and a few others. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #2

Are you kidding, who doesn't love a good train wreck? Major Nikon Oct 2018 #3

Muhammed doesn't consider women to be people. Mariana Oct 2018 #7

No he's a great feminist ally. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #8

Without trying to sound like an apologist... TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #30

... over the ensuing 1500 years, no one else has tried to change it. Mariana Oct 2018 #32

Nolo Contendere. nt TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #34

You what would have a great topic for his last sermon? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #4

Lol TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #31

He also said to humanly treat slaves edhopper Oct 2018 #5

You do know that slavery was quite common at that time. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #24

So is treating woman as second class edhopper Oct 2018 #27

We are talking of someone living in the 10th century, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #28

Isn't all of Islam based on edhopper Oct 2018 #29

Moses brought the word of God Mariana Oct 2018 #33

So either it's just edhopper Oct 2018 #35

Why was slavery OK in the 10th century? trotsky Oct 2018 #39

Owning other people has never been OK. MineralMan Oct 2018 #40

What is your opinion of the content of your excerpt, Gil? nt. Mariana Oct 2018 #6

Who can say? MineralMan Oct 2018 #9

The prophet spoke of equality, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #25

Actually, Arabia was fairly tolerant prior to Mohammed marylandblue Oct 2018 #36

The comment about Arabia being tolerant is refuted rather well by history. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #37

Since this is well-refuted by history, surely you can provide many examples of such marylandblue Oct 2018 #38

Muhammad Speaks: Treat Your Property Well. MineralMan Oct 2018 #10

See, this kind of OP is what convinces me Gil is a troll. Mariana Oct 2018 #11

I don't know. Sometimes, I think he just doesn't read MineralMan Oct 2018 #12

There's not enough doubt for that benefit Major Nikon Oct 2018 #14

I'm being deliberately polite. MineralMan Oct 2018 #15

Admirable Major Nikon Oct 2018 #16

Perhaps, but still. MineralMan Oct 2018 #17

If this is an example of your politeness, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #19

I see. I have several already, thanks. MineralMan Oct 2018 #20

Perhaps you need help with them. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #21

No, thanks. MineralMan Oct 2018 #22

Think nothing of it. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #23

I will, thanks. MineralMan Oct 2018 #26

As if the child rape apologia wasn't convincing enough Major Nikon Oct 2018 #13

Ditto... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #18