Atheists & Agnostics

Surya Gayatri

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1. "Hateful" is not a qualifier I would apply to Pope Francis.

Fri Sep 25, 2015, 10:07 AM

Sep 2015

Blinkered by tradition, burdened by centuries of convention, yes. Hateful? No.

I do NOT perceive of him as an inherently spiteful or malevolent man.

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Pope demonstrates colossal ignorance and hypocrisy [View all] trotsky Sep 2015 OP

"Hateful" is not a qualifier I would apply to Pope Francis. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #1

So what does this statement about gay marriage make him? Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #2

Did you read the text of my post? Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #4

So how do we know when someone is a bigot Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #5

"And what's the damn difference?" Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #9

Do you understand what sub-forum that you are posting in at the moment? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #12

Do you mean "Atheists & Agnostics"? Yes, I am aware. I happen to be an agnostic, FWIW. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #16

EVERYBODY'S an agnostic. Nobody knows. So what? mr blur Sep 2015 #76

Saying that gay couples raising children is child abuse is fucking hateful PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #7

Firstly, I would direct you to post N° 3... Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #10

And I will direct to to post # 4 PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #11

Have at it...whatever it takes to mollify your obvious rage. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #13

Do you understand what sub-forum that you are posting in at the moment? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #14

Please see post N°16, where I've already replied to this question. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #20

Yes, it fills me with rage that he calls gays raising children child abuse. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #15

Rage and fury are very personal and subjective emotions. Saying that any pronouncement Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #17

OK, I will change that to say that it should fill decent human beings who have a moral compass PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #23

Notwithstanding a fairly well-honed moral compass, I am not enraged. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #26

We used to live next to a lesbian couple with two kids. trotsky Sep 2015 #28

Anger--How if affects people. FYI Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #34

OK, I see you've abandoned any attempt to logically defend your position... trotsky Sep 2015 #36

No "personal" attack intended or implied. Simply a medically substantiated Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #38

The Upside of Anger: 6 Psychological Benefits of Getting Mad trotsky Sep 2015 #39

I personally try to transform anger into other less destructive sentiments. Not good for Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #41

Well, at any rate, you've abandoned trying to defend your position, trotsky Sep 2015 #49

I do NOT embrace him. I respectfully demur at detesting him, however. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #51

Good for you! trotsky Sep 2015 #53

This post sums up the tone of the subthread perfectly. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #54

It bothers me A LOT that this pope is out there using his bully pulpit to spread ignorance and hate. trotsky Sep 2015 #56

Exactly. Or made to feel like you're an unreasonable brute. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #58

No apology required. Your emotions are your emotions. Why apologize? Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #60

I claim moral superiority to no-one. I'm surprised that you would cede that position to me. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #61

Not only does the man say gays with children is child abuse Lordquinton Sep 2015 #64

So basically your argument is that the pope is Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #40

I prefer "hidebound" and "blinkered". Your particular lexical choice would not be mine. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #42

I don't hate him either. I find many of his utterances to be hateful bigotry. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #62

No-one is giving anyone a "pass", as I said up-thread. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #70

Don't bring the "angry atheist" tone policing in here Lordquinton Sep 2015 #63

I'm not 'angry' and do not wish to become so. OTOH, whatever emotions others Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #69

He said "tone policing". Meaning you came in here trying to paint US as hateful PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #73

'Perceptions' of tone are extremely subjective. The perceived 'painting' of anyone as anything Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #75

That's not what I'm talking about Lordquinton Sep 2015 #77

There is no such 'accusation' of anger against anyone. In numerous Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #79

You introduced the word "rage" in this thread in a very patronizing and arrogant manner. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #80

And, you then embraced it as your own with alacrity. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #81

I recall having incredibly pleasant interactions with you during the Charlie Hebdo massacre PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #82

Nice chat... Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #83

You brought it in first Lordquinton Sep 2015 #84

I can only bow before your conspicuously superincumbent sagacity. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #85

Are you a pompous idiot? I only ask because you "sound" like one. mr blur Sep 2015 #86

Pomposity is as pomposity does, mr blur. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #87

Given this whole thread Lordquinton Sep 2015 #88

Feel free to think what you will, Lord. My faith is my own and very personal. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #89

Amazing Lordquinton Sep 2015 #90

Take what, exactly? My duck feathers are fairly waterproof... Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #91

If you say so Lordquinton Sep 2015 #92

I sleep like a 'tree stump', as my French compatriots would say. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #93

Well, you certainly appear to think like one. mr blur Sep 2015 #95

Oh, là là! What wit! Cuts like the proverbial rapier! Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #96

If nothing else, you do seem to have an obsessive need to get the last word. trotsky Sep 2015 #97

In the distant place and time where my character was formed, it was deemed Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #98

I just rec'd it in your honour. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #19

Well, good on you! LOL! Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #21

You wouldn't like where I'd beam you to. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #32

Nevertheless, bon voyage! Boldly go...etc. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #33

No, no, no. They're just MISGUIDED PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #22

There's a lot of "misguided" people on DU. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #24

hateful trotsky Sep 2015 #25

By my reading of the OP, it seemed that the third definition was the Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #29

Frank believes in hell. trotsky Sep 2015 #31

Yes, "hidebound and blinkered", but not automatically "malevolent" with intent. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #37

Use him where he is helpful. Oppose him where he is not. jeff47 Sep 2015 #3

he's really not, though. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #8

He's not as useful there, but still can be useful. jeff47 Sep 2015 #18

"Use him" how, exactly? trotsky Sep 2015 #27

If he gets some people to start caring about economic issues jeff47 Sep 2015 #30

And if he gets some people to oppose abortion rights? Cool too? trotsky Sep 2015 #35

He isn't changing dogma to oppose abortion rights. He's following existing dogma. jeff47 Sep 2015 #44

"The people who follow him already oppose abortion rights"? trotsky Sep 2015 #46

It was shorthand, not an exhaustive statement. jeff47 Sep 2015 #47

Now you're not making sense. trotsky Sep 2015 #48

Right-wingers aren't going to be convinced by anyone. jeff47 Sep 2015 #50

Then what the fuck do we need the pope for? trotsky Sep 2015 #55

They aren't going to listen to us. jeff47 Sep 2015 #57

But you just said they won't listen to him either! trotsky Sep 2015 #59

You're clumping people together who do not agree. jeff47 Sep 2015 #66

He is not saying anything different than the last however many popes have said Lordquinton Sep 2015 #65

Except Benedict and the previous popes didn't have this focus on poverty. jeff47 Sep 2015 #68

Benedict wrote books railing against capitalism and poverty. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #74

But his views are identical Lordquinton Sep 2015 #78

Had to rec this because of P1 Cartoonist Sep 2015 #6

sounds like he's evolving on the issue..time will tell. or maybe it will take the next pope or two. yodermon Sep 2015 #43

"Hating on him is about as useful as swooning over him"... Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #45

I am allowed to voice my opinions about anti-gay bigots. trotsky Sep 2015 #52

Calling out his bigotry does not equivicate to hate Lordquinton Sep 2015 #67

What changes? He hasn't changed a damn thing! LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #72

Praising the enemy only give our "so called" allies bad ideas LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #71

My fundamentalist niece posted this: mountain grammy Sep 2015 #94