2016 Postmortem

okasha

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81. That's US, not I,S,

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:03 AM

Jun 2016

He faced Kruschev down over deployment of Soviet missiles to Cuba. For the first and only time our military went to DefCon 2. He threatened war with the USSR, and they stood down.

I remember that day very well. The nuns sent us all home so that they could all meet in chapel and pray for peace. No one was fooled, though. We all knew we were going home to die with our families when the bombs began to rain out of the sky.

Yes, I'd use that language. Friends died in Vietnam, and some who survived are permanently disabled.

And no, HRC has not done worse than Vietnam. Don't try to pin Bush's war on her.

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Shouldn't picking POTUS be about character [View all] laserhaas Jun 2016 OP

Only to an extent Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #1

I dont think bible thumping counts as character laserhaas Jun 2016 #3

Trump's character is very, very bad. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #2

I would argue that you could have worked harder laserhaas Jun 2016 #5

How do you know how hard I worked? I don't understand your response. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #9

Isnt Bernie's loss...our loss laserhaas Jun 2016 #15

I supported Bernie from the beginning, contributed to his campaign, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #18

I hear you and....sigh laserhaas Jun 2016 #23

character is acknowledging reality, accepting and moving into the next phase nt msongs Jun 2016 #4

Why are we rehashing the primary race? It's over. It's GE time. LonePirate Jun 2016 #6

November is not over. 840high Jun 2016 #35

I care more about policy than character. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #7

That's absurd. If the policy comes from lacking in character laserhaas Jun 2016 #11

Character is so subjective that I don't think about it very much. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #42

The trend here...is as telltale laserhaas Jun 2016 #8

As a History Major I'd Caution Against Taking a Puritan View of Character in a President Stallion Jun 2016 #10

JFK is an example...of your paradigm..suggested laserhaas Jun 2016 #13

JFK was not squeaky clean. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #19

That was the point...He had flaws...but was exceptional laserhaas Jun 2016 #24

JFK-s principle campaign issue was an outright lie. okasha Jun 2016 #30

Opinions vary laserhaas Jun 2016 #43

Opinions on the so-called "missile gap" do not vary. okasha Jun 2016 #65

He kept I.S. out of a war with Russia...over Cuba laserhaas Jun 2016 #71

That's US, not I,S, okasha Jun 2016 #81

Picky...picker pikki laserhaas Jun 2016 #82

Anyone who lived through those days. okasha Jun 2016 #89

Why are we fighting a primary that's over? RandySF Jun 2016 #12

You wish it was over; and that's a troubling thing laserhaas Jun 2016 #14

Well RandySF Jun 2016 #17

That would be unwise...DU..DK .etc...speaks the will laserhaas Jun 2016 #20

The will of the people is reflected in their votes. Ace Rothstein Jun 2016 #32

November is coming. 840high Jun 2016 #36

Pshaw laserhaas Jun 2016 #44

Because some folks... LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #78

character is only a part of it. unblock Jun 2016 #16

Your argument does not hold water...he re laserhaas Jun 2016 #22

so... somehow that means only character matters? unblock Jun 2016 #28

My op posed the question and the answers..pro Hillary laserhaas Jun 2016 #46

i voted for bernie so i don't know what you're talking about. unblock Jun 2016 #70

No..you seem to want to be argumentative laserhaas Jun 2016 #72

Jimmy Carter has more character okasha Jun 2016 #21

I don't agree... We had run away inflation and % hikes laserhaas Jun 2016 #25

Runaway inflation does not indicate a flawed character. okasha Jun 2016 #31

You are the one who argued....effectiveness laserhaas Jun 2016 #47

Did you miss the point that completely? okasha Jun 2016 #68

Isnt that what I just said laserhaas Jun 2016 #73

the inflation we had wasn't "runaway" inflation, which is an entirely different animal. unblock Jun 2016 #33

I remember the prices at the time ( being 60 yrs old) laserhaas Jun 2016 #48

I'll always think of Carter 840high Jun 2016 #38

I dont disagree...but he was a flawed POTUS laserhaas Jun 2016 #49

LBJ was pretty much an asshole. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #27

And his character flaws may include fore knowledge laserhaas Jun 2016 #50

Dammit! I knew I forgot to check the character box on that ballot MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #26

Good one laserhaas Jun 2016 #51

Who defines exemplary character? mythology Jun 2016 #29

I prefer Hillary for many reasons, and yes one of the reasons is character La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #34

You can fool all the 840high Jun 2016 #39

Lol. Ok La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #41

I say laserhaas Jun 2016 #52

Love your sig line. 840high Jun 2016 #62

Thanks laserhaas Jun 2016 #75

I agree with you. athena Jun 2016 #66

Certainly couldnt have nothing to do with facts laserhaas Jun 2016 #80

Sanders has shown a decided lack of character in the last few weeks. baldguy Jun 2016 #37

Says you laserhaas Jun 2016 #53

If he were a "gentlemen and a warrior" he would concede & join Clinton to fight RW oppression. baldguy Jun 2016 #93

Probably not. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #40

That speaks to the character of the nation and Nadar laserhaas Jun 2016 #54

It's about leadership and the ability to effectively prosecute an agenda. MADem Jun 2016 #45

I dont disagree..for the most part laserhaas Jun 2016 #55

I do think she is more qualified. MADem Jun 2016 #57

We disagree laserhaas Jun 2016 #59

No, it's about votes XRubicon Jun 2016 #56

Actually...its about rules and vote countings laserhaas Jun 2016 #61

Don't bogart that... pass it XRubicon Jun 2016 #64

Character, proven authenticity, and sound judgment. SamKnause Jun 2016 #58

Very well put laserhaas Jun 2016 #60

Too bad he couldn't get more people to vote for him... XRubicon Jun 2016 #67

Hypothetically, sure. cheapdate Jun 2016 #63

Exactly laserhaas Jun 2016 #76

One difference between Clinton supporters and the uninitiated... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #69

I simply cannot jiin the fray laserhaas Jun 2016 #79

I'll never "endorse" her...I won't come here for cookies and punch if I vote for her. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #94

Not necessarily.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #74

That's not an issue...this time laserhaas Jun 2016 #77

Hillary is the Democratic nominee. grossproffit Jun 2016 #87

I don't care about someone's character. RB TexLa Jun 2016 #83

Obviously...that's why We're in this dilemma laserhaas Jun 2016 #85

The Rethugs spent $70 million and several years trying to damage Hillary's character pnwmom Jun 2016 #84

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #86

It's funny, Sanders supporters have always said that it's about the issues ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #88

Ding, ding, ding! grossproffit Jun 2016 #90

JFK and FDR were absolute bastards. NuclearDem Jun 2016 #91

yes, and she won. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #92