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2016 Postmortem

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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:12 AM Nov 2016

You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with [View all]

I have lived here all my life.

If you ask anyone who voted for Trump around here WHY they did it, they will say FIRST, "Hillary was going to take away my guns"

After that, labor workers with a small number of employees are seeing documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled, and turn around to take undocumented workers and skirt the taxes the white labor worker pays. I *get* that undocumented workers pay tax, but they don't pay INCOME tax, and Saint Reagan taught them that it isn't fair for them not to...but it *is* hunky dorey for someone who is extremely wealthy to do it.

The dichotomy I referred to in that last paragraph gets to the crux of the matter: These people want a class system, as long as THEY don't feel like they're at the bottom of it. They *want* to bow to someone "greater" than them. They want to *believe* there are some greater than them.

And they are racist.

They aren't overtly racist, they've learned to couch the term 'nigger' and only say it when there are only white people around; (<<<-------- I defy *any* white person who grew up in a blue collar neighborhood to *try* and tell me that isn't the case.) but you'd better have a picture of someone in a white hood with a flaming cross for them to believe someone is, and even then, it's probably photo shopped, because minorities "get everything".

They don't want to be reasoned with. They want to be TOLD. They *love* cock sure. Seriously. They *love* John Wayne, pilgrim. They want to be told to sit down and shut up, as long as they think that accomplishes some spiteful end (and I mean *any* spite nugget) they'll get behind it.

I can't convince any of these people to buy the Brooklyn Bridge...but you can best believe I can get them to agree to PAY for it, ten times over if I just tell them we will keep the "others" away. We will keep the n-words out. We will keep those Muslim terrorists out.

You want no fly, no buy? Show them a commercial where a Muslim cleric getting off a plane, walking into a gun store buys a gun and then walks into a movie theatre and cut to black, and the sounds of shots firing. That kind of basic, primal shit resonates with them.

They don't want to have to THINK about it. They just want someone who is cocksure and will 'get 'er done'. They don't give a shit about bathrooms, other than they were TOLD to be outraged, so they are.

They don't give a shit about those emails, other than they were TOLD to be outraged, so they are.

They don't give a shit about how things work either. These are binary thinkers. They like it concise that way. Wrap it in the flag, tell them if they were real Americans, they'd...(insert it here) and if they're not outraged, they're stupid little pussies.

They also don't give a shit about what WE think. They don't think, because they like to be TOLD WHAT to think, instead of taught HOW to think. It's the meeting of "low information voters" meets the "spite entitlement" I've been coining for so long.

If you doubt it, just ask yourself the question I have been asking since the night of Melania Trump's speech at the RNC: WHERE IS MELANIA TRUMP'S SPEECHWRITER?. <<<<----- They don't care. They were told that isn't a big deal.

What about the Trump Foundation? <<<<------ They don't care. They were told the Clinton Foundation took money from Qatar. They were TOLD that's a bigger infraction, and so therefore it is.

Facts don't *matter* to them, because it is hard for them to discern a fact from an opinion. Really. Truly. This is not new.

They don't want to be reasoned with...they want to be TOLD.



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I often really think some PTB democrats really don't understand the voter demographics RKP5637 Nov 2016 #1
I want to be clear: I wasn't talking about Democrats...I was talking Blue Collar, not Blue Party LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #2
Yep! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #3
You're still wrong, though NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #43
No. I'm not. And when you said, "There are a few of those" you fucking admitted it LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #48
I have relatives and friends in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #56
Maybe your relatives get called racist because they are racist. yardwork Nov 2016 #62
this is *another* problem here...these guys want to BE racist, they just LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #71
Your post actually seems to support the OP without you wanting it to Hekate Nov 2016 #57
You've only been here since August. musicblind Nov 2016 #59
I'm sick of hearing this. Nobody is taking their guns. yardwork Nov 2016 #61
Exactly! They sufferer from Authoritarian Personality Disorder. musicblind Nov 2016 #65
Sounds familiar! yardwork Nov 2016 #67
Read this article for perspective. "On Rural America - Understanding Isn't the Problem" SharonAnn Nov 2016 #25
Thanks, Wellstone ruled Nov 2016 #27
And as for the lack of critical thinking in many of these Americans... maddiemom Nov 2016 #29
Very well said! Thanks for the link!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #35
I didn't want to get mired down in politics today, but couldn't resist having a look at DU. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #36
I read this earlier on 'kos, and it is very insightful LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #49
Many of us "coastal elites" grew up in "the heartland." yardwork Nov 2016 #63
I am a liberal farmer. I haven't left because I liked farming too much. Am retired now JimBeard Nov 2016 #68
There's a lot of truth to this, I think. Nt lostnfound Nov 2016 #4
And this is precisely why those suckers will NEVER get. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #5
Oh I completely agree with you, except that... LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #7
I have a feeling they could only be TOLD by an old white rich guy, though Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #11
or some really well placed ridicule. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #13
coming from who, though? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #15
Calling them idiots, morons, dumbasses, etc. hasn't converted one single teabagger for me.... johnfromokc Nov 2016 #37
I was *going* to cuss, but it's T-Day, so let's just disagree. LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #41
Preach. JHan Nov 2016 #23
I've lived here all my life too, and I don't think we've crossed the same people. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #6
Oh, we're crossing the exact same people, alright...you are spot on. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #8
There isn't much of a sense of "community" anymore. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #17
I grew up in Ohio OnionPatch Nov 2016 #34
So fuck 'em. I say stop trying to appeal to them. We've met the enemy, and they are them. MADem Nov 2016 #9
Yep. Because they need to be TOLD, not coddled. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #70
You are right on HelenWheels Nov 2016 #10
oh-- I bet there's all kinds of "facts" they believe about Hillary being the devil etc Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #12
Wow melman Nov 2016 #14
truth hurts?? Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #18
I grew up in a (former) steel town south of Pittsburgh. Efilroft Sul Nov 2016 #16
Yep, they cannot stand for minorities to "get" anything but ticket back where their ancestors came Hoyt Nov 2016 #19
They also inflate what they think they get...it's not just 'low-information', it's *stupid* LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #47
Yep treestar Nov 2016 #33
I think that is fundamentally America's whole problem, right there. yardwork Nov 2016 #66
I grew up in central MN. Michelle Bachmann territory NickB79 Nov 2016 #20
You are correct in this. Ligyron Nov 2016 #21
Agreed. But this goes beyond the rust belt. progressoid Nov 2016 #22
This is what passes for dialogue when workers fight for scraps. jalan48 Nov 2016 #24
This is so spot on...yep. They tore down a steel mill (career) and they'll build LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #50
Sigh. How do you reason with the unreasonable? wisteria Nov 2016 #26
ridicule. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #38
Very well said! Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2016 #28
They've traded their guns for Social Security, Medicare, a Free Press, and the Environment bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #30
You look like a good person to me. I agree with you some, but not all, Laydee B. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #31
Your point of contention is apt, for sure, because the KGB, Comey, suppression, LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #39
I agree treestar Nov 2016 #32
And they are racist?? NeoConsSuck Nov 2016 #40
Please note that I did NOT reference Democrats...but please proceed. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #46
Your cup runneth over with hate mtnsnake Nov 2016 #42
Your cup runneth over with spite LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #45
Best to hold a bible and gun while you are telling them to bow pbmus Nov 2016 #44
What is this: "documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled" LonePirate Nov 2016 #51
I shed no tears for the plight of "deplorables ".They deserve what's coming. oasis Nov 2016 #52
Racist/sexist/homophobic when they don't vote the way you want... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #53
Sorry sweets, but you're just incorrect. And supporting a racist *IS* racist, whether LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #54
Half? gollygee Nov 2016 #69
Very interesting POV. I'll give it some thought. Hekate Nov 2016 #55
I grew up in rural Ohio. You are exactly correct. yardwork Nov 2016 #58
These are the people who get caught in the supermarket checkout line because JimBeard Nov 2016 #60
You entire post just defined Authoritarian Personality Disorder to a T. musicblind Nov 2016 #64
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