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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with [View all]Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,021 posts)36. I didn't want to get mired down in politics today, but couldn't resist having a look at DU.
Wan't going to even sign in. But then I read your post. The article you quote is saying exactly what I've been trying to put into words!
Without built-in protective functions like critical analysis, self-reflection, openness to counter-evidence, willingness to re-evaluate any and all beliefs, etc., bad information in a closed-off system ends up doing massive damage in short period of time. What has happened to too many fundamentalist belief systems is damaging information has been allowed in from people who have been granted expert status. If someone is allowed into a closed-off system and their information is deemed acceptable, anything they say will readily be accepted and become gospel. Rural, Christian, white Americans have let in anti-intellectual, anti-science, bigoted, racists into their system as experts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, any of the blonde Stepford Wives on FOX, every evangelical preacher on television because they tell them what they want to hear and because they sell themselves as being one of them.
The truth is none of these people give a rats ass about rural, Christian, white Americans except how can they exploit them for attention and money. None of them have anything in common with the people who have let them into their belief systems with the exception they are white and they speak the same language of white superiority, Gods Will must be obeyed, and how, even though they are the Chosen Ones, they are the ones being screwed by all the people and groups they believe they are superior to.
The truth is none of these people give a rats ass about rural, Christian, white Americans except how can they exploit them for attention and money. None of them have anything in common with the people who have let them into their belief systems with the exception they are white and they speak the same language of white superiority, Gods Will must be obeyed, and how, even though they are the Chosen Ones, they are the ones being screwed by all the people and groups they believe they are superior to.
Because this questioning didnt take place, the Great Recession didnt lead to any meaningful political shift away from poorly regulated markets, supply side economics, or how to respond to a financial crisis. This is why, even though rural, Christian, white America was hit hard by the Great Recession, they not only didnt blame the political party theyve aligned themselves with for years, they rewarded them two years later by voting them into a record number of state legislatures and taking over the U.S. House. Of course, it didnt help matters there were scapegoats available they could direct their fears, anger, and white supremacy towards. A significant number of rural America believes President Obama was in charge when the financial crisis started. An even higher number believe the mortgage crisis was the result of the government forcing banks to give loans to unqualified minorities. It doesnt matter how untrue both of these are, they are gospel in rural America. Why reevaluate your beliefs and voting patterns when scapegoats are available?
Rural, white America needs to be better understood, is a dodge, meant to avoid the real problems because talking about the real problems is viewed as too upsetting, too mean, too arrogant, too elite, too snobbish. Pointing out Aunt Bees views of Mexicans, blacks, gays
is bigoted isnt the thing one does in polite society. Too bad more people dont think the same about the views Aunt Bee has. Its the classic, Youre a racist for calling me a racist, ploy. Or, as it is more commonly known, I know you are but what am I?
I need to go back and read that more carefully later, but after a quick read, it looks like I agree with the writer 100%. If you don't make this it's own OP, I'm going to. But can't until tomorrow, so please do! And if it sinks because everyone's taking the day off and enjoying Thanksgiving, I'll try to post it tomorrow. This needs to be read. I can't believe the most honest and reasonable thing I've read about this election is a tumblr post, but it is.
The only thing missing is that I don't think the population that article describes would be large enough to sway the election. There are other groups, for instance wealthy Rs who expect to gain financially from Trump's admin, as well as a few other groups.
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You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with [View all]
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
OP
I often really think some PTB democrats really don't understand the voter demographics
RKP5637
Nov 2016
#1
I want to be clear: I wasn't talking about Democrats...I was talking Blue Collar, not Blue Party
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#2
No. I'm not. And when you said, "There are a few of those" you fucking admitted it
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#48
Read this article for perspective. "On Rural America - Understanding Isn't the Problem"
SharonAnn
Nov 2016
#25
I didn't want to get mired down in politics today, but couldn't resist having a look at DU.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2016
#36
I am a liberal farmer. I haven't left because I liked farming too much. Am retired now
JimBeard
Nov 2016
#68
I have a feeling they could only be TOLD by an old white rich guy, though
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#11
Calling them idiots, morons, dumbasses, etc. hasn't converted one single teabagger for me....
johnfromokc
Nov 2016
#37
I've lived here all my life too, and I don't think we've crossed the same people.
Buckeye_Democrat
Nov 2016
#6
So fuck 'em. I say stop trying to appeal to them. We've met the enemy, and they are them.
MADem
Nov 2016
#9
oh-- I bet there's all kinds of "facts" they believe about Hillary being the devil etc
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#12
Yep, they cannot stand for minorities to "get" anything but ticket back where their ancestors came
Hoyt
Nov 2016
#19
They also inflate what they think they get...it's not just 'low-information', it's *stupid*
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#47
This is so spot on...yep. They tore down a steel mill (career) and they'll build
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#50
They've traded their guns for Social Security, Medicare, a Free Press, and the Environment
bucolic_frolic
Nov 2016
#30
You look like a good person to me. I agree with you some, but not all, Laydee B.
Mc Mike
Nov 2016
#31
Your point of contention is apt, for sure, because the KGB, Comey, suppression,
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#39
What is this: "documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled"
LonePirate
Nov 2016
#51
Sorry sweets, but you're just incorrect. And supporting a racist *IS* racist, whether
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#54