2016 Postmortem

Hekate

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55. Very interesting POV. I'll give it some thought.

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Fri Nov 25, 2016, 06:57 PM

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You guys don't get it: the rust belt working class want to be TOLD, not reasoned with [View all] LaydeeBug Nov 2016 OP

I often really think some PTB democrats really don't understand the voter demographics RKP5637 Nov 2016 #1

I want to be clear: I wasn't talking about Democrats...I was talking Blue Collar, not Blue Party LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #2

Yep! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #3

You're still wrong, though NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #43

No. I'm not. And when you said, "There are a few of those" you fucking admitted it LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #48

I have relatives and friends in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #56

Maybe your relatives get called racist because they are racist. yardwork Nov 2016 #62

this is *another* problem here...these guys want to BE racist, they just LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #71

Your post actually seems to support the OP without you wanting it to Hekate Nov 2016 #57

You've only been here since August. musicblind Nov 2016 #59

I'm sick of hearing this. Nobody is taking their guns. yardwork Nov 2016 #61

Exactly! They sufferer from Authoritarian Personality Disorder. musicblind Nov 2016 #65

Sounds familiar! yardwork Nov 2016 #67

Read this article for perspective. "On Rural America - Understanding Isn't the Problem" SharonAnn Nov 2016 #25

Thanks, Wellstone ruled Nov 2016 #27

And as for the lack of critical thinking in many of these Americans... maddiemom Nov 2016 #29

Very well said! Thanks for the link!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #35

I didn't want to get mired down in politics today, but couldn't resist having a look at DU. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #36

I read this earlier on 'kos, and it is very insightful LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #49

Many of us "coastal elites" grew up in "the heartland." yardwork Nov 2016 #63

I am a liberal farmer. I haven't left because I liked farming too much. Am retired now JimBeard Nov 2016 #68

There's a lot of truth to this, I think. Nt lostnfound Nov 2016 #4

And this is precisely why those suckers will NEVER get. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #5

Oh I completely agree with you, except that... LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #7

I have a feeling they could only be TOLD by an old white rich guy, though Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #11

or some really well placed ridicule. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #13

coming from who, though? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #15

Calling them idiots, morons, dumbasses, etc. hasn't converted one single teabagger for me.... johnfromokc Nov 2016 #37

I was *going* to cuss, but it's T-Day, so let's just disagree. LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #41

Preach. JHan Nov 2016 #23

I've lived here all my life too, and I don't think we've crossed the same people. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #6

Oh, we're crossing the exact same people, alright...you are spot on. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #8

There isn't much of a sense of "community" anymore. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #17

I grew up in Ohio OnionPatch Nov 2016 #34

So fuck 'em. I say stop trying to appeal to them. We've met the enemy, and they are them. MADem Nov 2016 #9

Yep. Because they need to be TOLD, not coddled. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #70

You are right on HelenWheels Nov 2016 #10

oh-- I bet there's all kinds of "facts" they believe about Hillary being the devil etc Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #12

Wow melman Nov 2016 #14

truth hurts?? Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #18

I grew up in a (former) steel town south of Pittsburgh. Efilroft Sul Nov 2016 #16

Yep, they cannot stand for minorities to "get" anything but ticket back where their ancestors came Hoyt Nov 2016 #19

They also inflate what they think they get...it's not just 'low-information', it's *stupid* LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #47

Yep treestar Nov 2016 #33

I think that is fundamentally America's whole problem, right there. yardwork Nov 2016 #66

I grew up in central MN. Michelle Bachmann territory NickB79 Nov 2016 #20

You are correct in this. Ligyron Nov 2016 #21

Agreed. But this goes beyond the rust belt. progressoid Nov 2016 #22

This is what passes for dialogue when workers fight for scraps. jalan48 Nov 2016 #24

This is so spot on...yep. They tore down a steel mill (career) and they'll build LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #50

Sigh. How do you reason with the unreasonable? wisteria Nov 2016 #26

ridicule. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #38

Very well said! Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2016 #28

They've traded their guns for Social Security, Medicare, a Free Press, and the Environment bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #30

You look like a good person to me. I agree with you some, but not all, Laydee B. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #31

Your point of contention is apt, for sure, because the KGB, Comey, suppression, LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #39

I agree treestar Nov 2016 #32

And they are racist?? NeoConsSuck Nov 2016 #40

Please note that I did NOT reference Democrats...but please proceed. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #46

Your cup runneth over with hate mtnsnake Nov 2016 #42

Your cup runneth over with spite LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #45

Best to hold a bible and gun while you are telling them to bow pbmus Nov 2016 #44

What is this: "documented workers get incentives to which they are not entitled" LonePirate Nov 2016 #51

I shed no tears for the plight of "deplorables ".They deserve what's coming. oasis Nov 2016 #52

Racist/sexist/homophobic when they don't vote the way you want... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #53

Sorry sweets, but you're just incorrect. And supporting a racist *IS* racist, whether LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #54

Half? gollygee Nov 2016 #69

Very interesting POV. I'll give it some thought. Hekate Nov 2016 #55

I grew up in rural Ohio. You are exactly correct. yardwork Nov 2016 #58

These are the people who get caught in the supermarket checkout line because JimBeard Nov 2016 #60

You entire post just defined Authoritarian Personality Disorder to a T. musicblind Nov 2016 #64