2016 Postmortem

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38. Here's my take on why Trump won the rust belt:

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:08 PM

Dec 2016

I live in Indiana and expected Hillary to lose the state by about 10 points (I wasn't worried because she would win all of the other rust states). I was watching the returns and was absolutely shocked out of my gourd when MSNBC reported that Rump won Indiana by about 60% to 30%. I knew then and there if he won Indiana by that much it was going to be a close one in Michigan and Wisconsin. For a year all I saw were TrumpPence signs in yards. I only saw ONE Clinton-Kaine sign (on a lake in Kosciusko County). My extended family ALL voted for Trump. I should have seen it coming. However, ever since the Ken Blackwell episode I've never trusted the election process. So wouldn't surprise me if 10 years from now someone squeals and we find out the truth.

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How many think votes were flipped to Trump in all the swing states? [View all] Chasstev365 Dec 2016 OP

No question in my mind, even if it wasn't the Russians... Sancho Dec 2016 #1

Yup... only explanation that makes sense. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #6

How many? Just enough to win. See Kentucky, Wisconsin, et al. MaeScott Dec 2016 #50

Ditto 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #77

Need an end to proprietary software for elections or at least let us look at it Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #2

Yes! No reason we should have to prove fraud; onus is on systems to prove transparency lostnfound Dec 2016 #11

Can you imagine if banks gave no statements and just said, "You think I stole? Prove it!" lostnfound Dec 2016 #12

A case in point: KS 2016 elections stevepal Dec 2016 #24

Consistent with Ron Baiman's results (28 states) triron Dec 2016 #83

Probably not the Russians, but flipping happened. The repugs cheat. brush Dec 2016 #3

Perhaps in collusion? triron Dec 2016 #84

Could very well be. brush Dec 2016 #85

Absolutely onecaliberal Dec 2016 #4

I believe it was the GOP themselves, a few furtive fuckers like Rove, who paid off pnwest Dec 2016 #5

Spot on pnwest jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #10

YES!!! The meeting with Turtle McFuckLips was ... ALSO... about protecting the tab machines in some uponit7771 Dec 2016 #7

Duh unblock Dec 2016 #8

Sorry. Not buying this conspiracy. EL34x4 Dec 2016 #9

Agreed. Some of the recent OPs are really getting there. 7962 Dec 2016 #14

Same. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #18

Yeah...like they did with 8 year old emails. There is much more proof of Russian meddling LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #49

+1 WilliamH1474 Dec 2016 #46

The Pubbies did this, the Russkies just added distraction to keep you looking the other way. MaeScott Dec 2016 #52

Just happened upon this thread True Dough Dec 2016 #55

I'm happy it's mostly LPC members who are claiming it didn't happen... tells a lot uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62

Oh, it's a lot more than "LPC" members True Dough Dec 2016 #71

Ummm, bullshit but nice try... attempt noted too... Obama didn't say those words could care uponit7771 Dec 2016 #72

From Newsweek... True Dough Dec 2016 #74

Red Herring, I said if Obama and intel commmunity says such I'll change my mind... what you've uponit7771 Dec 2016 #78

Well, I won't waste any more time on you True Dough Dec 2016 #80

lol... this sounds so similar to cut and run statements made about a year ago no? sigh uponit7771 Dec 2016 #81

WAPO story claims Obama asked for protection of the machines in states and had proof the Russians uponit7771 Dec 2016 #61

this is very telling. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #64

#1. It might not have been Russians. #2. It's PROVEN the machines are hackable KittyWampus Dec 2016 #68

Not quite. I mean it is extraordinary that he pulled out every treestar Dec 2016 #76

I don't know how widespread it is, or who did it, but I saw flipping in FL. Sancho Dec 2016 #99

When such enormous effort is expended to prevent our even looking... Orsino Dec 2016 #111

I think votes were flipped and added AnotherDreamWeaver Dec 2016 #13

Significant counties & their voting machines ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #15

Great homework report. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Dec 2016 #27

Yeap, ... Obama asked for protection of these machines too according WAPO story uponit7771 Dec 2016 #65

ME!!!!!!! C Moon Dec 2016 #16

Definitely Quanta Dec 2016 #17

Me. CanonRay Dec 2016 #19

No question, I knew it on Nov. 8 joanbarnes Dec 2016 #20

Clearly. byronius Dec 2016 #21

Something happened Curtis Dec 2016 #22

Oh yeah dflprincess Dec 2016 #23

They've all but bragged about it. ucrdem Dec 2016 #25

Votes Were Flipped Lonestarblue Dec 2016 #26

I really don't think the ruskies hacked the voting machines but elmac Dec 2016 #28

In Wisconsin, they didn't hand count Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #29

True it would be in the 60-70's, but that does not mean it could not be child's play for Russia To.. JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #30

The Sequoia AVC Edge ?? Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #44

Yes, that looks like it. Thanks. JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #51

Good info in all your posts about the actual machines, Aim. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #97

I don't believe he won fairly, nor all the republican wins. It was a republican coup d'etat! Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #31

Personally i still think Comey was the problem tiredtoo Dec 2016 #32

i dont think the russians did. i think obama would have blown the whistle, and mopinko Dec 2016 #33

Disagree triron Dec 2016 #42

if they had flipped it, and obama knew, mopinko Dec 2016 #67

Obama admin did blow the whistle to a bipartisan group, Turtle McFuckLips didn't want to protect the uponit7771 Dec 2016 #63

Yes. Astraea Dec 2016 #34

Hillary had a superior get out the vote ground game. dubyadiprecession Dec 2016 #35

I don't think it made too much of difference in Iowa, North Carolina, or Ohio inwiththenew Dec 2016 #36

Nothing says rigged like.... czarjak Dec 2016 #37

Here's my take on why Trump won the rust belt: Chipper Chat Dec 2016 #38

Maybe the Russians put those Trump/Pence signs in people's yards? EL34x4 Dec 2016 #48

No doubt in my mind nm reggaehead Dec 2016 #39

Absolutely! hurple Dec 2016 #40

Anywhere where it was possible they tried. And succeeded much of the time. triron Dec 2016 #41

Ron Baiman's analysis is a worthless piece of shit and should be treated as such mythology Dec 2016 #57

Ron Baiman's credentials triron Dec 2016 #86

snap! LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #87

No Doubt colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #43

I certainly have suspicions jimlup Dec 2016 #45

There's a few reasons why i don't think so. Theybwouldn't have been able to hide obtaining all the dionysus Dec 2016 #47

Nope. I trust pubbies to do ANYTHING to win. Hacking voting machines MaeScott Dec 2016 #53

Yes, but first they made sure more Trump yard signs were planted everywhere BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #54

And the conspiracy included a 2.9 million national popular vote win EL34x4 Dec 2016 #58

That's the spirit BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #59

Well... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #56

There is no doubt in my mind that the repukes stole votes in the swing states. libtodeath Dec 2016 #60

Impossible to tell, which is the actual problem. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #66

We know the election was rigged - major cheating happened. Joe941 Dec 2016 #69

Though I won't absolutely rule it out, I would require objective evidence to support LanternWaste Dec 2016 #70

SO: WE ALL AGREE! WHAT CAN WE DO TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH? Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #73

No, we DON'T ALL AGREE. progressoid Dec 2016 #75

I do。 No doubt about it。 UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #79

I'm sure there were some errors, but I doubt you could keep large vote tampering secret Hoyt Dec 2016 #82

It didn't have to be large...that's the POINT. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #88

If the GOPers had lost by a few votes they would have said the same thing, or that "illegals" voted. Hoyt Dec 2016 #89

so. fucking. what. ? They will say that shit about us anyway. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #92

But, we don't have to be just like them in this respect. We lost, nothing is going to change that Hoyt Dec 2016 #93

it's impossible to do from remote locations. Exilednight Dec 2016 #90

really? so you've seen the inside of these machines and know what hardware was installed? yeah, NO!! TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #100

Please look at this triron Dec 2016 #91

I would need to see some credible and vetted evidence first. Throd 2.0 Dec 2016 #94

kick for visibility triron Dec 2016 #95

is the pope catholic? nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #96

Yes. Votes were flipped. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #98

Votes were definitiely switched in the swing states Fielg Dec 2016 #101

if you look at history of electronic voting, the GOP doesn't need Russian help to do that yurbud Dec 2016 #102

No direct hacking but voter suppression did the same thing underpants Dec 2016 #103

How many think votes were flipped to Trump in all the swing states? LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #104

Raising hand MFM008 Dec 2016 #105

kick for visibility triron Dec 2016 #106

Another emphatically raised hand! nt ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #107

I believe many negative factors converged in "election" 2016 all to benefit AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #108

I'd suggest focusing on the VRA and not Russia jfern Dec 2016 #109

They foisted those machines on us for a reason. Orsino Dec 2016 #110