2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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24. Republicans

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 02:23 PM

Jan 2017

Why the hell are we pretending that Russia fielded agents all over America at every district to make Republicans win, when republicans tend to just do this on their own EVERY FRIGGING ELECTION YEAR!

Have Democrats lost their minds?

I'm serious, I have ranted and raved about hackable voting machines and lack of a paper-trail for years (ever since reading The Best Democracy Money Can Buy).

Did any of you read John Conyers report from 2005 (about the 2004 election) regarding what occurred in Ohio?

And despite plenty of evidence that the GOP was planning on swiping this thing (Crosscheck anyone?) a large number of Democrats have decided to make this all about Russia when there has been absolutely no evidence of them doing anything more than maybe releasing emails.

A new Red Scare only exists to force us into spending more on Defense and intelligence to prove our loyalty and drive up deficits which will be paid for in cuts to health and human services. The blowback to this is going to be intensely stupid and self injurious, particularly to progressives who will get edged out by Democrats that are Hawkish on Russia.

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They did DOWN BALLOT shit too...and YES I mean voting machines [View all] LaydeeBug Jan 2017 OP

ALCOA! Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #1

Head in the sand much? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #2

Not at all, I just tend not to jump to conclusions Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #20

Oh, you are certainly jumping to conclusions... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #27

PWD? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #29

Another kick?? Why THANKS AGAIN! LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #40

The projection is astounding, isn't it? dionysus Jan 2017 #43

It *absolutely* IS LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #44

Where's reel 2? dionysus Jan 2017 #47

with the infallable never can be hacked voting machines, bless your heart LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #56

Indeed. Where have I seen projection like that before? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #53

Where indeed LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #55

I am open to this possibility, but the problem is there's no hard evidence for this Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #3

They cheat and will always cheat. We outnumber them so that's the only way they can "win" brush Jan 2017 #4

I know, and they control the fucking media too Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #5

And that, in a nutshell is how they won. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #7

I think our number 1 goal has to be to get control of the media Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #14

Indeed. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #16

yeah... that takes real money and patience Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #19

prove it. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #41

Prove it? melman Jan 2017 #49

Just dishing what I'm served. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #54

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think they JUST tampered with machines... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #9

It's actually the same as the Trump strategy forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #25

Yep. And pretending one thing is 'off the table' or 'impossible' is head in the sand folly. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #28

I'm not 100% there was direct hacking of machines forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #35

Honestly, that's where I am, but because I have worked a LOT of elections LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #59

Several math whizzes advised Sec Clinton TheDebbieDee Jan 2017 #10

It was all so dizzying...we weren't expecting espionage. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #12

+1, now I think the Stein recount was a blocking move to keep HRC from doing such after all uponit7771 Jan 2017 #61

The hard evidence is they hacked state and local electoral boards were the machines are set... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #60

and that evidence is where? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #63

That's were the machines are set, they don't have to hack individual machines when they can hack uponit7771 Jan 2017 #66

maybe this is what cummings was talking about. mopinko Jan 2017 #6

That's my point. If you've worked elections before... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #13

i have worked elections. it would be so fucking easy. mopinko Jan 2017 #15

Yep. And to act like it is out of the question, or that we have to provide THEM LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #30

+1, and all states that enacted VSM to lower counts in "urban" areas... those fuckers uponit7771 Jan 2017 #62

I agree with you. The complacency and the refusal to even consider that our machines had been BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #8

THANK YOU FOR THIS. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #11

No need to thank me. I thank YOU. Fighters should be admired, not excoriated. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #17

Holy WOW! Just read this. Thank you for you LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #45

THIS 2naSalit Jan 2017 #18

Just mucking with them so they didn't work would be enough. LisaM Jan 2017 #33

+1, exactly... they didn't need a huge operation just a "big enough" operation to hide uponit7771 Jan 2017 #64

This, this, this...why they are so positive nothing happened is astounding. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #69

Never get tired of posting this: triron Jan 2017 #34

If his analysis brings you comfort that our way of voting is pretty much flawless, then I'm happy BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #39

You're kidding me? triron Jan 2017 #57

So why aren't President Obama, VP Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and other prominent Democrats Lurks Often Jan 2017 #21

That is exactly what I have been wondering since the story of the big russian conspiracy broke m-lekktor Jan 2017 #22

Or this isn't nearly as much there as some would like you to believe Lurks Often Jan 2017 #23

They're all in on it! dionysus Jan 2017 #46

Damn Straight! Lurks Often Jan 2017 #48

Republicans kenfrequed Jan 2017 #24

Nope. I think it was coordinated...and you're right, the GOP pulled this shit in Ohion 2004 LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #31

There is just no evidence for it kenfrequed Jan 2017 #36

As I've said before, SOMETHING happened on election day. hamsterjill Jan 2017 #26

exactly. This. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #32

It was unspeakable. hamsterjill Jan 2017 #38

Yes, LB!! After all of Putin's efforts - Hillary still led in all the polls on election eve... ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #37

No proof, combined with no proper punctuation, does not prove election fraud. dionysus Jan 2017 #42

. justburnitall Jan 2017 #52

Your insistence that there is no proof flies in the face of the news... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #58

The report says they hacked state and local electoral boards, if that's not "proof" enough then ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #65

The mere fact that one is SLOW to connect the dots - ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #67

Rude. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #68

Not a doubt in my mind. ucrdem Jan 2017 #50

Got your back jack... K&R fleabiscuit Jan 2017 #51