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MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. Well, that's different from what I was hearing before.
Fri May 11, 2012, 05:20 PM
May 2012

If people are willing to stand up and protest disruptive conduct, there are ways to make that kind of action more effective. It requires coordination and a Standard Operating Procedure any time someone from an encampment sees an intruder-disruptor starting to cause shit. One way is simple isolation, and you can do that--with or without the castigation and shaming--with large numbers. Separate the cretins from one another with the sheer weight of dozens and dozens of people and they'll have a harder time playing their games. Rat 'em out to the cops--do it without remorse. They did this kind of thing in Boston, working with the police, and while everything wasn't always rosy (the police didn't want them setting up a kitchen in Dewey, e.g.), they called the police to get rid of disruptors and drug dealers, and the encampment "regulars" had a good relationship with the police that was based on trust and respect.

I have considered your responses. I am glad that you think that the Occupy people can in fact do something about these rock-throwing, paint-flinging, fire-starting nitwits. I am not the doggone enemy here. I think that occupiers, acting in concert with previously discussed advance coordination, can play a role in slowing down these jerks who ruin it for everyone else. Do it often enough, loudly enough, make it a point at every media availability to distinguish chaos-makers from change-makers, and the word will go forth.

The media likes pictures. Pictures of Occupiers standing up against rock-throwing would-be rioters are every bit as good as shots of some jerk throwing rocks through a window.

Occupy needs to work the media more effectively, as well as "own" the theme of the day, and not give it away to jerks who don't care one whit about social justice or basic services for our citizens (and then gripe that the media covered the rioters and not them). The media isn't going to pick through the shit to find the nuggets of corn, they're going to report on the shit--if it bleeds, it leads; the trick is to prevent the bloodshed in the first place. The goal needs to be to prevent the shit from happening while presenting the plate of corn to the media in a compelling manner. Someone who understands public relations would be very helpful to Occupy encampments, particularly the larger ones that are having trouble with these vandalizing jerks.

SF, Seattle and Cleveland eridani May 2012 #1
And what will M$M cover about May Day 2012? freshwest May 2012 #5
They could be paid to go in and do this...these people could movonne May 2012 #11
The occupy movement will be marked by this liberal N proud May 2012 #2
just like the 60's oldhippydude May 2012 #3
I don't blame them. LASlibinSC May 2012 #4
We have a few blame memes in this country that have gotten completely out of hand and are untrue. freshwest May 2012 #6
Manipulated storylines - just like VVAW was infiltrated by RW agents in the 60s to discredit blm May 2012 #7
It seems that Occupy is more vulnerable than those movements. But we have to remember how long those freshwest May 2012 #8
they will continue to disrupt as long as it works G_j May 2012 #16
Yes... LASlibinSC May 2012 #9
I realize that the Occupy Movement likes to be "organic" and "leaderless" MADem May 2012 #10
the friggin borg? U4ikLefty May 2012 #13
Isn't that what consensus is--a borg of sorts? MADem May 2012 #14
Your "frigging borg" comment was a dig on Occupy...don't pretend. U4ikLefty May 2012 #17
No it was not. You need to stop telling people what they think about things and how they feel about MADem May 2012 #18
Your words betray your cries to the contrary. U4ikLefty May 2012 #19
No they don't. And if those are your examples of "unpraiseworthy" posts, your skin is paper thin. MADem May 2012 #20
More insults & still no pro-Occupy posts. Hmmmm U4ikLefty May 2012 #21
The insult flinger is in your mirror. MADem May 2012 #22
How do you propose to keep people like this away from a public event? ellisonz May 2012 #23
Point-n-mock works well. If a hundred (or two hundred) people surround, isolate and shout at MADem May 2012 #25
Your answer is the use of unlawful force. ellisonz May 2012 #26
Force, Schmorce. Pointing and mocking and yelling at lawbreakers is "unlawful force?" MADem May 2012 #27
*le sigh* ellisonz May 2012 #28
"Le Helpless Poor Me" is what you're giving me. MADem May 2012 #33
You seem very angry... ellisonz May 2012 #34
"You seem very angry" is what people say when they don't have a meaningful answer to the points MADem May 2012 #35
And now you're projecting... ellisonz May 2012 #36
You continue to try to make this about me. Waaah, you're angry, waaaah, you're projecting! MADem May 2012 #39
"unlawful force" ellisonz May 2012 #41
Oh, bullshit. MADem May 2012 #44
Moral authority without actual authority is little authority at all. ellisonz May 2012 #45
Then why OCCUPY? Your comment makes no sense! MADem May 2012 #49
No, it's your comments that make no sense pinboy3niner May 2012 #50
Yes, you have a debate. Really. MADem May 2012 #51
It's obvious that you don't have a clue about what Occupiers in the streets are doing... pinboy3niner May 2012 #52
I have eyes and I can see. MADem May 2012 #53
You think Occupiers haven't confronted disruptors, en masse? pinboy3niner May 2012 #55
Well, that's different from what I was hearing before. MADem May 2012 #58
Why keep beating a straw man? ellisonz May 2012 #54
Great post pinboy3niner May 2012 #56
I try to keep it real. ellisonz May 2012 #57
That's the thing though--they haven't made their disapproval clear. MADem May 2012 #59
You know anything else about Oakland & January 28th? U4ikLefty May 2012 #29
Of course that's how the police behave...that's their expected behavior. limpyhobbler May 2012 #30
Here's a video to provide some context. U4ikLefty May 2012 #37
Yeah that video is awesome. limpyhobbler May 2012 #47
Nice to see an honest response...thanks!!! U4ikLefty May 2012 #60
Gee, and you are blaming ME? MADem May 2012 #32
Don't blame me for your ignorance. U4ikLefty May 2012 #38
I am not the ignorant one, here. You have a nice day, now! MADem May 2012 #40
That's all you've got? U4ikLefty May 2012 #42
You're plainly unclear on the concept. MADem May 2012 #43
Broken Record. U4ikLefty May 2012 #46
That's not accurate, either. NT MADem May 2012 #48
I'm Ashamed IvanTheRed1233 May 2012 #31
ACORN LASlibinSC May 2012 #12
I've never understood why nobody has ever tried to get O'Keefe the same way. Chan790 May 2012 #24
Just following the military RobertEarl May 2012 #15
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