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calimary

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43. My guess: Bernie's saying something positive about Fidel Castro
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 11:22 AM
Mar 2020

would make Florida a nonstarter for Bernie.

The reality is - if you’re “doing well with young people,” you’re NOT necessarily doing well, if they don’t show up to VOTE. And the reality is - they don’t. Which is a shame.

Who DOES show up to vote? Older people. AND older people of color. Probably because they’ve been around long enough to see, understand, and remember. And it’s the older demographic that “gets” why bringing up Castro is a BIG mistake. They remember the Cuban missile crisis and the “Commie 90 miles off our shores.”

Praising Castro is just stupid. Bringing Castro up in the first place was just stupid. Especially for a self-proclaimed “socialist”! Especially when the very word “socialist” spooks a huge chunk of the public. Lordy, can you say CLUELESS?!?!? And Florida has such a sizeable Cuban demographic - and they remember Castro and not in any positive sense. Is Bernie that stuck in his ivory tower that he does not realize this? That there’s no way you can sell “socialist” and make people warm to it? It’s a labeling thing. One can argue “it’s just a word.” Maybe, but it’s still a fucking LOADED word that evokes some of our most basic fears of totalitarianism that have creeped Amerian ca out for decades. And fears that deep and that visceral take a LONG time to overcome.

It does no good to try to explain about “the issues”. It does no good to try to explain the fine points of what Bernie says we should be doing and enacting as public policy. Nobody has time for that. As has been said before, “if you’re explaining, you’re losing.” We’ve had decades to imprint on, and internalize, the very simple and visceral meme “Socialism = Bad.” And when that impression has had decades to seep all the way into the American bone marrow, it’s a LOSER. And all the “well it SHOULDN’T be” arguments, even while sensible and justifiable, won’t change that. I suspect the demographics who actually show up to vote in Florida will RUN, not walk, to support Biden. I can’t help but suspect that Bernie’s numbers in Florida, if he had any of significance, will head toward the basement.

Campaign Rule Number One: DO NOT hand your opponent free ammo. DO NOT give your opponent ANY opening of ANY size or shape! PERIOD. Bernie, for Pete’s sake, WHAT ON EARTH WERE YOU THINKING???”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
yeah, I don't believe it.... getagrip_already Mar 2020 #1
I know nothing about that pollster, but this seem incredible to me. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #2
I take the opposite approach. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #13
I agree that it could go either way. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #24
It'll happen regardless, if Biden wins the nomination. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #25
True, that. I surely don't want a convention war. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #29
Exactement! Mme. Defarge Mar 2020 #30
Biden is a class act exboyfil Mar 2020 #51
They are not going to be and a blowout is just what we need to end this shit. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #52
1000% agree. The time for a graceful exit was last Wednesday. This is OnDoutside Mar 2020 #58
I agree with every word. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #60
Thanks ! OnDoutside Mar 2020 #61
I think it's up to BS to "maintain his dignity".. Cha Mar 2020 #63
OMFG!! honest.abe Mar 2020 #3
So, Joe's got a chance ? OnDoutside Mar 2020 #4
Could be 1 percent Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 #5
Yeah..those Castro comments won't hurt Bernie at all. nt LexVegas Mar 2020 #6
Goodness. Team Bernie will holler like Cab Calloway if that result is true... Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #7
Hidey, hidey, hoooooo....... It's time to pack up an' go! oasis Mar 2020 #68
LOL! You got the hoooooooo part right... Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #70
It appears that sanders' support of Castro is not being well received in the Sunshine State Gothmog Mar 2020 #8
And 14% for Bloomberg. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #9
Yes, it's safe to basically view Bloomberg delegates as Joe's. nt Mike 03 Mar 2020 #21
Not shocking at all in that state. Affirmation. Todd79 Mar 2020 #10
Is this within the margin of error? awesomerwb1 Mar 2020 #11
LOL honest.abe Mar 2020 #14
haha TwilightZone Mar 2020 #16
Summer heat and two ice cream cones?? Zambero Mar 2020 #12
Bad for blood sugar though. sandensea Mar 2020 #23
According to 538, OnDoutside Mar 2020 #15
Is Nate waiting for CA final results to run the update? honest.abe Mar 2020 #17
Yes, it seems so, which makes it probably worse for Sanders. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #20
Yep, already had a big lead. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #19
I am sure that someone is going to smear Uncle Joe DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #18
People underestimate how bad the Castro gaffe was for Bernie AGeddy Mar 2020 #22
It's not just one gaffe. It's his entire adult life's support for Castro. yardwork Mar 2020 #39
Yeah, I don't think so. RandySF Mar 2020 #26
This makes me smile Gothmog Mar 2020 #27
It's because of the Castro fiasco. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #28
And it's not just one speech Sanders' gave. yardwork Mar 2020 #38
Wow if that lead holds Legends303 Mar 2020 #31
This means Bernie hits " Joe will cut Social Security" hard. And Sirota behind the scenes will be emmaverybo Mar 2020 #32
Go Joe Go!! K&R NYMinute Mar 2020 #33
It's not a shock to me radical noodle Mar 2020 #34
I believe it. South Floridians don't like Castro. yardwork Mar 2020 #35
I'm not surprised.. Sancho Mar 2020 #36
Double digits, let alone viability, looking questionable at this point! tritsofme Mar 2020 #37
Bernie is NOT EVEN VIABLE!!! He'll get ZERO delegates in Florida. Devastating! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #40
well, he might win some at district level, but he will surely not have many nt Celerity Mar 2020 #49
That's true! It will be an overall net LOSS in delegates. He'll fall further and further behind. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #59
Lol at ketchup Celerity Mar 2020 #66
Holy crap wryter2000 Mar 2020 #41
No shock at all relayerbob Mar 2020 #42
My guess: Bernie's saying something positive about Fidel Castro calimary Mar 2020 #43
neck and neck, amirite? splunge63 Mar 2020 #44
Throw in Bloomberg 14 and bring 75% to Biden. LizBeth Mar 2020 #45
sorry missed this OP grantcart Mar 2020 #46
Just saw that checking 538. So much for Sanders thinking he has a chance there. highplainsdem Mar 2020 #47
sanders' comments on Castro Gothmog Mar 2020 #48
He might get all of the delegates. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #50
Is it really shocking BGBD Mar 2020 #53
It probably wasn't a good idea for Bernie to say nice things about Castro in Florida. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #54
according to the 538 model Biden will cross 1991 by April 28. drray23 Mar 2020 #55
BS is throwing away any relevance he might ever have had with two hands. Squinch Mar 2020 #56
I just risked my life to go vote early for Joe! OrlandoDem2 Mar 2020 #57
Even I want him to win and I agree marlakay Mar 2020 #62
I honestly believe BS probably reaches viability, but not much more. nt Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #64
Biden Won't Waffle BidenBacker Mar 2020 #65
Early win in November zak247 Mar 2020 #67
I hope Biden walks away with every single delegate. helpisontheway Mar 2020 #69
This will hurt sanders Gothmog Mar 2020 #71
Bernie on foreign policy: oasis Mar 2020 #72
I expect a 30% victory Traym Mar 2020 #73
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